[bksvol-discuss] Re: Knitting books--majority of members not blind
- From: Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 14:39:57 -0800 (PST)
Thanks for that reminder, Roger smile (I mean that seriously, not sarcastically
Cindy
>________________________________
> From: Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx>
>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 8:11 AM
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Knitting books--majority of members not blind
>
>
>Because even though the majority are not blind there are still those who are
>blind and need the descriptions. Also, don't assume that there are always
>teachers to do the describing. I certainly know that when I was in school I
>read educational books that were not being used in any of my classrooms and I
>still often read textbooks on my own.
>
>On 2/12/2012 1:05 AM, Cindy wrote:
>Thanks, Mayrie. That's very interesting. But if the kids aren't blind, I
>wonder why it's so necessary to describe the photos in the textbooks (the Poet
>project), especially since the teachers, unless they are blind, can descibe
>them. I don't mind doing them; it's an interesting challenge (describing
>photos always is, but one tries to convey what one sees as explicitly as
>possible do as to enable the blind person to "se"in is/her mind's eye
>>Cindy
>>
>>Cindy
>>
>>
>>From: Mayrie ReNae <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 9:12 PM
>>>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Knitting books--majority of members not blind
>>>
>>>
>>>Hi Cindy,
>>>
>>>The majority of Bookshare members are students in grades k-12. As to their
>>>disabilities, I'm not certain, but blindness is one of the lowest
>>>percentages of disabilities of Bookshare members.
>>>
>>>I'll try to remember to ask and let you all know.
>>>
>>>Mayrie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Cindy
>>>Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 5:32 PM
>>>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Knitting books--majority of members not blind
>>>
>>>
>>>Really. Interesting. I did know that some members are dyslexic and perhaps
>>>for physical impairments cannot hold books to read but I had assumed hat the
>>>majority of bookshare members are legally blind. Mayrie, or Carrie, an you
>>>tell us /me how the majority of members qualify?
>>>Cindy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>From: Mayrie ReNae <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 9:56 AM
>>>>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Knitting books
>>>>
>>>>Hi Sandi,
>>>>
>>>>I know that Bookshare hasn't given up on
finding a way to make the graphics
>>>>accessible. I'm going to look into
whether the images can be legally
>>>>described via the Diagram program that
Bookshare has in place.
>>>>
>>>>I know that people are not going to be
happy with this bit of my opinion,
>>>>and some factoids, so get your rotten
veggies ready to throw at me. The
>>>>parts of the books that are graphics are
not accessible to blind members.
>>>>And work is being done to figure out how
to change that. However, they are
>>>>accessible to others with print
disabilities, so they are not completely
>>>>inaccessible. The majority of Bookshare
members are not blind. So, it
>>>>doesn't make sense to deprive books to all
that are inaccessible to some.
>>>>
>>>>Please don't lose hope that Bookshare will
figure out a way to make these
>>>>things accessible in some way. Bookshare
knows about the problem.
>>>>Bookshare wants to make as much accessible
as possible. And we haven't
>>>>exhausted all possibilities for this to
happen.
>>>>
>>>>Don't give up hope yet!
>>>>
>>>>Mayrie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>>Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 8:23 AM
>>>>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Knitting
books
>>>>
>>>>Hi Mary,
>>>>
>>>>So can anything be done to make these
charts accessible? If not, there is
>>>>little point adding them to the Bookshare
collection, which indicates they
>>>>are accessible when they are not.
>>>>
>>>>Sandi
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 12:46 AM
>>>>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Knitting
books
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Sandi,
>>>>>
>>>>> No, the images won't be accessible.
If they were, they'd have been
>>>>> rendered
>>>>> readably in the daisy file in the
first place. Sorry!
>>>>>
>>>>> Mayrie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>>> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 8:45
PM
>>>>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re:
Knitting books
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Mary,
>>>>>
>>>>> I can try to get them as Daisy books
with images, but will those images be
>>>>> readable? The symbols are often x's
or *'s, but sometimes are cute little
>>>>> icons used to represent a particular
stitch. Ah, the very good old days
>>>>> when patterns were written out, not
represented in charts!
>>>>>
>>>>> Sandi
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 9:24
PM
>>>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re:
Knitting books
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Sandi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What I think happens is that the
charts are available in the "daisy with
>>>>>> images" books, but not present in
the "daisy" or brf books because they
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> graphics of somesort, just not
straight text, which Bookshare's
>>>>>> conversion
>>>>>> tools don't know how to handle.
I'd bet the images that you want are
>>>>>> present in the "daisy with
images" files of books, but aren't
accessible
>>>>>> because the images aren't
straight text.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just a guess on my part, as I
can't verify that myself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mayrie
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012
7:17 PM
>>>>>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re:
Knitting books
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Debby,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Often the charts are mentioned in
the patterns themselves (use Chart X to
>>>>>> complete pattern rows 9-57,
reading the K rows from left to right and
the
>>>>>> P
>>>>>> rows from right to left),
something like that--and then no chart is
>>>>>> there.
>>>>>> It may be that Bookshare's
software chucks the charts because they
look
>>>>>> like
>>>>>> garbage characters, but I don't
know that. I just know it's frustrating
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> read through a pattern, say to
myself "Oh, that looks great! Can't wait
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> make it," and then find out I
can't because the charts are missing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sandi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Debby Franson" <the.bee@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012
8:58 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re:
Knitting books
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Tracy, Jamie and anyone
who has had anything to do with knitting
>>>>>>> books!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are the charts missing
entirely, or are they a graphic, which
would do
>>>>>>> those like me with no sight,
no good?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Debby
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At 08:47 AM 2/10/2012, Tracy
Carcione wrote
>>>>>>>>I guess we've identified
an area where our books are better than
PQ--we
>>>>>>>>take the trouble to put in
complicated charts if we can.
>>>>>>>>Tracy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > Hi Tracy,
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > I've noticed some
tables and charts missing in PQ books
too. One I
>>>>>>>> > downloaded was
supposed to have a family tree. It
explained how to
>>>>>>>> > read
>>>>>>>> > the
>>>>>>>> > tree, but the tree
itself wasn't there.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Sue S.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > -----Original
Message-----
>>>>>>>> > From: Tracy Carcione
>>>>>>>> > Sent: Friday,
February 10, 2012 7:36 AM
>>>>>>>> > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>> > Subject:
[bksvol-discuss] Re: Knitting books
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Hi Jamie.
>>>>>>>> > Many blessings on
your head for taking all that trouble! I
know how
>>>>>>>> > hard
>>>>>>>> > it is to translate
those charts; I've occasionally tortured
my sister
>>>>>>>> > with
>>>>>>>> > it.
>>>>>>>> > Guess I'll have to
look for knitting books submitted by you.
>>>>>>>> > The PQ knitting
books are full of charts. Or should I say
lacking,
>>>>>>>> > since
>>>>>>>> > the charts aren't
actually there at all.
>>>>>>>> > Tracy
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >> Tracy, the books
I have done with knitting charts, I have
>>>>>>>> >> painstakingly
>>>>>>>> >> typed in the
graphs with whatever symbol is in the book
(x, o, /
>>>>>>>> >> whatever).
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> They are
extremely difficult books to do even when
there are only a
>>>>>>>> >> few
>>>>>>>> >> graphs.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> --
>>>>>>>> >> Jamie in
Michigan
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Currently
Reading: Heads You Lose by Lisa Lutz
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> See everything
I've read this year at:
>>>>>>>> >> www.michiganrxtech.com/books.html
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >
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