[bksvol-discuss] Re: Knitting books--majority of members not blind
- From: Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 17:31:30 -0800 (PST)
Really. Interesting. I did know that some members are dyslexic and perhaps for
physical impairments cannot hold books to read but I had assumed hat the
majority of bookshare members are legally blind. Mayrie, or Carrie, an you tell
us /me how the majority of members qualify?
Cindy
>________________________________
> From: Mayrie ReNae <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 9:56 AM
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Knitting books
>
>Hi Sandi,
>
>I know that Bookshare hasn't given up on finding a way to make the graphics
>accessible. I'm going to look into whether the images can be legally
>described via the Diagram program that Bookshare has in place.
>
>I know that people are not going to be happy with this bit of my opinion,
>and some factoids, so get your rotten veggies ready to throw at me. The
>parts of the books that are graphics are not accessible to blind members.
>And work is being done to figure out how to change that. However, they are
>accessible to others with print disabilities, so they are not completely
>inaccessible. The majority of Bookshare members are not blind. So, it
>doesn't make sense to deprive books to all that are inaccessible to some.
>
>Please don't lose hope that Bookshare will figure out a way to make these
>things accessible in some way. Bookshare knows about the problem.
>Bookshare wants to make as much accessible as possible. And we haven't
>exhausted all possibilities for this to happen.
>
>Don't give up hope yet!
>
>Mayrie
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 8:23 AM
>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Knitting books
>
>Hi Mary,
>
>So can anything be done to make these charts accessible? If not, there is
>little point adding them to the Bookshare collection, which indicates they
>are accessible when they are not.
>
>Sandi
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
>To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 12:46 AM
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Knitting books
>
>
>> Hi Sandi,
>>
>> No, the images won't be accessible. If they were, they'd have been
>> rendered
>> readably in the daisy file in the first place. Sorry!
>>
>> Mayrie
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 8:45 PM
>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Knitting books
>>
>> Hi Mary,
>>
>> I can try to get them as Daisy books with images, but will those images be
>> readable? The symbols are often x's or *'s, but sometimes are cute little
>> icons used to represent a particular stitch. Ah, the very good old days
>> when patterns were written out, not represented in charts!
>>
>> Sandi
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 9:24 PM
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Knitting books
>>
>>
>>> Hi Sandi,
>>>
>>> What I think happens is that the charts are available in the "daisy with
>>> images" books, but not present in the "daisy" or brf books because they
>>> are
>>> graphics of somesort, just not straight text, which Bookshare's
>>> conversion
>>> tools don't know how to handle. I'd bet the images that you want are
>>> present in the "daisy with images" files of books, but aren't accessible
>>> because the images aren't straight text.
>>>
>>> Just a guess on my part, as I can't verify that myself.
>>>
>>> Mayrie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 7:17 PM
>>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Knitting books
>>>
>>> Hi Debby,
>>>
>>> Often the charts are mentioned in the patterns themselves (use Chart X to
>>> complete pattern rows 9-57, reading the K rows from left to right and the
>>> P
>>> rows from right to left), something like that--and then no chart is
>>> there.
>>> It may be that Bookshare's software chucks the charts because they look
>>> like
>>> garbage characters, but I don't know that. I just know it's frustrating
>>> to
>>> read through a pattern, say to myself "Oh, that looks great! Can't wait
>>> to
>>> make it," and then find out I can't because the charts are missing.
>>>
>>> Sandi
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Debby Franson" <the.bee@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 8:58 PM
>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Knitting books
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Tracy, Jamie and anyone who has had anything to do with knitting
>>>> books!
>>>>
>>>> Are the charts missing entirely, or are they a graphic, which would do
>>>> those like me with no sight, no good?
>>>>
>>>> Debby
>>>>
>>>> At 08:47 AM 2/10/2012, Tracy Carcione wrote
>>>>>I guess we've identified an area where our books are better than PQ--we
>>>>>take the trouble to put in complicated charts if we can.
>>>>>Tracy
>>>>>
>>>>> > Hi Tracy,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I've noticed some tables and charts missing in PQ books too. One I
>>>>> > downloaded was supposed to have a family tree. It explained how to
>>>>> > read
>>>>> > the
>>>>> > tree, but the tree itself wasn't there.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Sue S.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>>> > From: Tracy Carcione
>>>>> > Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 7:36 AM
>>>>> > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Knitting books
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Hi Jamie.
>>>>> > Many blessings on your head for taking all that trouble! I know how
>>>>> > hard
>>>>> > it is to translate those charts; I've occasionally tortured my sister
>>>>> > with
>>>>> > it.
>>>>> > Guess I'll have to look for knitting books submitted by you.
>>>>> > The PQ knitting books are full of charts. Or should I say lacking,
>>>>> > since
>>>>> > the charts aren't actually there at all.
>>>>> > Tracy
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> Tracy, the books I have done with knitting charts, I have
>>>>> >> painstakingly
>>>>> >> typed in the graphs with whatever symbol is in the book (x, o, /
>>>>> >> whatever).
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> They are extremely difficult books to do even when there are only a
>>>>> >> few
>>>>> >> graphs.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> --
>>>>> >> Jamie in Michigan
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Currently Reading: Heads You Lose by Lisa Lutz
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> See everything I've read this year at:
>>>>> >> www.michiganrxtech.com/books.html
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >
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