[bksvol-discuss] Re: Knitting books--majority of members not blind
- From: Valerie Maples <vlmaples@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 09:18:47 -0800 (PST)
I doubt they can release a demographic for fear of questioning privacy issues
in
a distant way, but I would be surprised with the push of the grant is children
were not the majority. As to children books, I will gladly confess I enjoy
many
of the tweener chapter books and they are classified as children and some are
teen and children. Sometimes I read children's nonfiction as a brief
introduction to something I might study later more in depth. same with
historical fiction.
Valerie
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>
>From: Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx>
>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Sent: Sun, February 12, 2012 9:51:10 AM
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Knitting books--majority of members not blind
>
>That explains something. I have noticed that there are an extremely high
>number of children's books in the collection and I have wondered if that
>many children actually use Bookshare. If you look at the most popular list
>you will notice also that at the top of the list are a lot of books that
>are
>likely to be assigned in the classroom. I suppose this has something to do
>with Bookshare's reaching out to schools and it dovetails with that grant
>from the department of education and the efforts to meet the conditions of
>
>the grant. My own interactions with Bookshare, though, are not
>interactions
>with children or students, so I did not really realize that the majority
>of
>subscribers were in that group and so I was a bit perplexed.
>
>On 2/12/2012 12:12 AM, Mayrie ReNae wrote:
>Hi Cindy,
>>
>>The majority of Bookshare members are students in grades k-12. As
>>to
>>their disabilities, I'm not certain, but blindness is one of the
>>lowest percentages of disabilities of Bookshare members.
>>
>>
>>I'll try to remember to ask and let you all know.
>>
>>Mayrie
>>
>>
>>
>>From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Cindy
>>Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 5:32 PM
>>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Knitting books--majority of members not
>>blind
>>
>>
>>Really. Interesting. I did know that some members are dyslexic
>>and
>>perhaps for physical impairments cannot hold books to read but I
>>had
>>assumed hat the majority of bookshare members are legally blind.
>>Mayrie, or Carrie, an you tell us /me how the majority of members
>>qualify?
>>Cindy
>>
>>
>>
>>From: Mayrie ReNae <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 9:56 AM
>>>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Knitting books
>>>
>>>Hi Sandi,
>>>
>>>I know that Bookshare hasn't given up on finding a way to
>>>make
>>>the graphics
>>>accessible. I'm going to look into whether the images can
>>>be
>>>legally
>>>described via the Diagram program that Bookshare has in
place.
>>>
>>>I know that people are not going to be happy with this bit
>>>of my
>>>opinion,
>>>and some factoids, so get your rotten veggies ready to throw
>>>at
>>>me. The
>>>parts of the books that are graphics are not accessible to
>>>blind
>>>members.
>>>And work is being done to figure out how to change that.
>>>However, they are
>>>accessible to others with print disabilities, so they are
>>>not
>>>completely
>>>inaccessible. The majority of Bookshare members are not
>>>blind.
>>>So, it
>>>doesn't make sense to deprive books to all that are
>>>inaccessible
>>>to some.
>>>
>>>
>>>Please don't lose hope that Bookshare will figure out a way
>>>to
>>>make these
>>>things accessible in some way. Bookshare knows about the
>>>problem.
>>>Bookshare wants to make as much accessible as possible. And
>>>we
>>>haven't
>>>exhausted all possibilities for this to happen.
>>>
>>>Don't give up hope yet!
>>>
>>>Mayrie
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
>>>Sandi
>>>Ryan
>>>Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 8:23 AM
>>>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Knitting books
>>>
>>>Hi Mary,
>>>
>>>So can anything be done to make these charts accessible? If
>>>not, there is
>>>little point adding them to the Bookshare collection, which
>>>indicates they
>>>are accessible when they are not.
>>>
>>>Sandi
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 12:46 AM
>>>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Knitting books
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Sandi,
>>>>
>>>> No, the images won't be accessible. If they were, they'd
>>>> have
>>>>been
>>>>
>>>> rendered
>>>> readably in the daisy file in the first place. Sorry!
>>>>
>>>> Mayrie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
>>>> Sandi
>>>>Ryan
>>>> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 8:45 PM
>>>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Knitting books
>>>>
>>>> Hi Mary,
>>>>
>>>> I can try to get them as Daisy books with images, but will
>>>>those images be
>>>> readable? The symbols are often x's or *'s, but sometimes
>>>> are
>>>>cute little
>>>> icons used to represent a particular stitch. Ah, the very
>>>> good
>>>>old days
>>>> when patterns were written out, not represented in charts!
>>>>
>>>> Sandi
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 9:24 PM
>>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Knitting books
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Sandi,
>>>>>
>>>>> What I think happens is that the charts are available in
>>>>> the
>>>>>"daisy with
>>>>> images" books, but not present in the "daisy" or brf
>>>>> books
>>>>>because they
>>>>> are
>>>>> graphics of somesort, just not straight text, which
>>>>> Bookshare's
>>>>>
>>>>> conversion
>>>>> tools don't know how to handle. I'd bet the images that
>>>>> you
>>>>>want are
>>>>> present in the "daisy with images" files of books, but
>>>>> aren't
>>>>>accessible
>>>>> because the images aren't straight text.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just a guess on my part, as I can't verify that myself.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mayrie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
>>>>> Sandi
>>>>>Ryan
>>>>> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 7:17 PM
>>>>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Knitting books
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Debby,
>>>>>
>>>>> Often the charts are mentioned in the patterns themselves
>>>>> (use
>>>>>Chart X to
>>>>> complete pattern rows 9-57, reading the K rows from left
>>>>> to
>>>>>right and the
>>>>> P
>>>>> rows from right to left), something like that--and then
>>>>> no
>>>>>chart is
>>>>>
>>>>> there.
>>>>> It may be that Bookshare's software chucks the charts
>>>>> because
>>>>>they look
>>>>> like
>>>>> garbage characters, but I don't know that. I just know
>>>>> it's
>>>>>frustrating
>>>>> to
>>>>> read through a pattern, say to myself "Oh, that looks
>>>>> great!
>>>>>Can't wait
>>>>> to
>>>>> make it," and then find out I can't because the charts
>>>>> are
>>>>>missing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sandi
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Debby Franson" <the.bee@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 8:58 PM
>>>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Knitting books
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Tracy, Jamie and anyone who has had anything to do
>>>>>> with
>>>>>>knitting
>>>>>> books!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are the charts missing entirely, or are they a graphic,
>>>>>> which
>>>>>>would do
>>>>>> those like me with no sight, no good?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Debby
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At 08:47 AM 2/10/2012, Tracy Carcione wrote
>>>>>>>I guess we've identified an area where our books are
>>>>>>>better than
>>>>>>>PQ--we
>>>>>>>take the trouble to put in complicated charts if we can.
>>>>>>>Tracy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > Hi Tracy,
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > I've noticed some tables and charts missing in PQ
>>>>>>> > books too.
>>>>>>>One I
>>>>>>> > downloaded was supposed to have a family tree. It
>>>>>>> > explained
>>>>>>>how to
>>>>>>> > read
>>>>>>> > the
>>>>>>> > tree, but the tree itself wasn't there.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Sue S.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> > From: Tracy Carcione
>>>>>>> > Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 7:36 AM
>>>>>>> > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Knitting books
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Hi Jamie.
>>>>>>> > Many blessings on your head for taking all that
>>>>>>> > trouble! I
>>>>>>>know how
>>>>>>> > hard
>>>>>>> > it is to translate those charts; I've occasionally
>>>>>>> > tortured
>>>>>>>my sister
>>>>>>> > with
>>>>>>> > it.
>>>>>>> > Guess I'll have to look for knitting books submitted
>>>>>>> > by
>>>>>you.
>>>>>>> > The PQ knitting books are full of charts. Or should
>>>>>>> > I say
>>>>>>>lacking,
>>>>>>> > since
>>>>>>> > the charts aren't actually there at all.
>>>>>>> > Tracy
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >> Tracy, the books I have done with knitting charts, I
>>>have
>>>>>>> >> painstakingly
>>>>>>> >> typed in the graphs with whatever symbol is in the
>>>>>>> >> book (x,
>>>>>>>o, /
>>>>>>> >> whatever).
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> They are extremely difficult books to do even when
>>>>>>> >> there are
>>>>>>>only a
>>>>>>> >> few
>>>>>>> >> graphs.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> --
>>>>>>> >> Jamie in Michigan
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Currently Reading: Heads You Lose by Lisa Lutz
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> See everything I've read this year at:
>>>>>>> >> www.michiganrxtech.com/books.html
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >
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>>>>>> mouth of
>>>>>>fools
>>>>>> pours forth foolishness.
>>>>>> Proverbs 15:2 NKJV
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