[bksvol-discuss] Re: Knitting books--majority of members not blind
- From: Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 02:58:20 -0800 (PST)
Thanks, Roger. That's very interesting.
Cindy
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> From: Valerie Maples <vlmaples@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 11:14 PM
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Knitting books--majority of members not blind
>
>
>I think you explained it pretty well, Roger. I do agree that it appears there
>are more blind volunteers than dyslexics on the list as most dyslexics would
>not make good proofreaders, although probably decent scanners. As to the name
>change to Learning Ally, the PC explanation was it was a more broad umbrella
>and supposedly less discriminatory and person centered, but frankly, I have
>never been PC and it sounds more childish to me.
>
>
>The thing we love about Bookshare is it is the first source of accessible
>TEXT, preserving literacy opportunities for kids wanting to actually read the
>books in print or Braille. For that I am forever grateful!
> Valerie
>
>
>Keep up with Nichole's recovery:
>http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/nicholemaples
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>>
>>From: Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx>
>>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Sent: Sat, February 11, 2012 8:14:25 PM
>>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Knitting books--majority of members not blind
>>
>>Blindness is considered to be a low incidence disability. I am sure,
of course, that the proportion of blind people who use Bookshare is
considerably higher than it is in the general population, but there
are still a lot more dyslexics in this world than there are blind
people. As far as I can tell, though, the blind people on the
volunteer list outnumber the dyslexics. It does not surprise me,
though, that the number of users who are dyslexic outnumber the
blind users. There is another organization that caters to print
impaired people that used to be named Recording for the Blind. At a
certain point in time they changed their name to Recording for the
Blind and Dyslexic saying that the new name more closely reflected
the population that they served. They actually served more dyslexics
than blind people. Then even more recently they changed their name
again and this time it was to Learning Ally. One of the ostensible
reasons was that they did serve people with disabilities other than
dyslexia and blindness, but there was also some indication that the
dyslexic clients did not want to be so closely associated with blind
people. I suppose you can guess that made quite a few blind people a
bit miffed.
>>
>>On 2/11/2012 8:31 PM, Cindy wrote:
>>Really. Interesting. I did know that some members are dyslexic and perhaps
>>for physical impairments cannot hold books to read but I had assumed hat the
>>majority of bookshare members are legally blind. Mayrie, or Carrie, an you
>>tell us /me how the majority of members qualify?
>>>Cindy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>From: Mayrie ReNae <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 9:56 AM
>>>>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Knitting books
>>>>
>>>>Hi Sandi,
>>>>
>>>>I know that Bookshare hasn't given up on finding a way
to make the graphics
>>>>accessible. I'm going to look into whether the images
can be legally
>>>>described via the Diagram program that Bookshare has in
place.
>>>>
>>>>I know that people are not going to be happy with this
bit of my opinion,
>>>>and some factoids, so get your rotten veggies ready to
throw at me. The
>>>>parts of the books that are graphics are not accessible
to blind members.
>>>>And work is being done to figure out how to change
that. However, they are
>>>>accessible to others with print disabilities, so they
are not completely
>>>>inaccessible. The majority of Bookshare members are not
blind. So, it
>>>>doesn't make sense to deprive books to all that are
inaccessible to some.
>>>>
>>>>Please don't lose hope that Bookshare will figure out a
way to make these
>>>>things accessible in some way. Bookshare knows about
the problem.
>>>>Bookshare wants to make as much accessible as possible.
And we haven't
>>>>exhausted all possibilities for this to happen.
>>>>
>>>>Don't give up hope yet!
>>>>
>>>>Mayrie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>>Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 8:23 AM
>>>>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Knitting books
>>>>
>>>>Hi Mary,
>>>>
>>>>So can anything be done to make these charts
accessible? If not, there is
>>>>little point adding them to the Bookshare collection,
which indicates they
>>>>are accessible when they are not.
>>>>
>>>>Sandi
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 12:46 AM
>>>>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Knitting books
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Sandi,
>>>>>
>>>>> No, the images won't be accessible. If they were,
they'd have been
>>>>> rendered
>>>>> readably in the daisy file in the first place.
Sorry!
>>>>>
>>>>> Mayrie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>>> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 8:45 PM
>>>>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Knitting books
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Mary,
>>>>>
>>>>> I can try to get them as Daisy books with images,
but will those images be
>>>>> readable? The symbols are often x's or *'s, but
sometimes are cute little
>>>>> icons used to represent a particular stitch. Ah,
the very good old days
>>>>> when patterns were written out, not represented in
charts!
>>>>>
>>>>> Sandi
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 9:24 PM
>>>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Knitting books
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Sandi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What I think happens is that the charts are
available in the "daisy with
>>>>>> images" books, but not present in the "daisy"
or brf books because they
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> graphics of somesort, just not straight text,
which Bookshare's
>>>>>> conversion
>>>>>> tools don't know how to handle. I'd bet the
images that you want are
>>>>>> present in the "daisy with images" files of
books, but aren't accessible
>>>>>> because the images aren't straight text.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just a guess on my part, as I can't verify that
myself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mayrie
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sandi Ryan
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 7:17 PM
>>>>>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Knitting books
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Debby,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Often the charts are mentioned in the patterns
themselves (use Chart X to
>>>>>> complete pattern rows 9-57, reading the K rows
from left to right and the
>>>>>> P
>>>>>> rows from right to left), something like
that--and then no chart is
>>>>>> there.
>>>>>> It may be that Bookshare's software chucks the
charts because they look
>>>>>> like
>>>>>> garbage characters, but I don't know that. I
just know it's frustrating
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> read through a pattern, say to myself "Oh, that
looks great! Can't wait
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> make it," and then find out I can't because the
charts are missing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sandi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Debby Franson" <the.bee@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 8:58 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Knitting books
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Tracy, Jamie and anyone who has had
anything to do with knitting
>>>>>>> books!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are the charts missing entirely, or are
they a graphic, which would do
>>>>>>> those like me with no sight, no good?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Debby
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At 08:47 AM 2/10/2012, Tracy Carcione wrote
>>>>>>>>I guess we've identified an area where
our books are better than PQ--we
>>>>>>>>take the trouble to put in complicated
charts if we can.
>>>>>>>>Tracy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > Hi Tracy,
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > I've noticed some tables and
charts missing in PQ books too. One I
>>>>>>>> > downloaded was supposed to have a
family tree. It explained how to
>>>>>>>> > read
>>>>>>>> > the
>>>>>>>> > tree, but the tree itself wasn't
there.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Sue S.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> > From: Tracy Carcione
>>>>>>>> > Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012
7:36 AM
>>>>>>>> > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re:
Knitting books
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Hi Jamie.
>>>>>>>> > Many blessings on your head for
taking all that trouble! I know how
>>>>>>>> > hard
>>>>>>>> > it is to translate those charts;
I've occasionally tortured my sister
>>>>>>>> > with
>>>>>>>> > it.
>>>>>>>> > Guess I'll have to look for
knitting books submitted by you.
>>>>>>>> > The PQ knitting books are full of
charts. Or should I say lacking,
>>>>>>>> > since
>>>>>>>> > the charts aren't actually there
at all.
>>>>>>>> > Tracy
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >> Tracy, the books I have done
with knitting charts, I have
>>>>>>>> >> painstakingly
>>>>>>>> >> typed in the graphs with
whatever symbol is in the book (x, o, /
>>>>>>>> >> whatever).
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> They are extremely difficult
books to do even when there are only a
>>>>>>>> >> few
>>>>>>>> >> graphs.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> --
>>>>>>>> >> Jamie in Michigan
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Currently Reading: Heads You
Lose by Lisa Lutz
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> See everything I've read this
year at:
>>>>>>>> >> www.michiganrxtech.com/books.html
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >
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