Hi, Mayrie, I am used to the hyphen myself because I'm more familiar with
it. The other way, i.e., with a space between the whole number and the
fraction seems confusing to me. I guess one wouldn't put in something like
2
and 1/2 cups water. I don't know, I guess the word "and" would take up
more
space than needed. I remember when I was growing up seeing differences in
Braille. At one time if you wrote the word "dear" you'd see D, EA sign, R,
whereas later it was changed to D, E, AR sign. I should like to see those
old cookbook recipes where you encounter the space with mixed fractions.
Believe me, I'm not doubting your word, but I am curious about it.
Regards,
Kim.
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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mayrie ReNae
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 10:07 AM
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Fractions in bookshare files for Braille
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Hi Everyone,
Again, I went to the braille transcription manual. And, in proper
literary
braille, fractions are written with a hyphen between the whole number and
the fraction. I did not seek out an accurate resource for how to properly
represent mixed numbers in literary print. But I do believe that Valerie
is
correct that a space should separate whole numbers from fractions.
For me, there is a problem with this. I do want braille readers to see
accurate braille. But this is not the accurate expression for print
fractions to be represented. So, in our efforts to make sure that kids
see
accurately rendered books, which do we do?
Now, before you all jump on me about this, reminding me that I opted to
follow braille code with em dashes and elipsis, I will respectfully remind
you that the representation of those things in print is optional so what
I've chosen to support is not inaccurate in either print or braille.
So, I think on this one, I have to say I think this is a personal
preference. The braille translator will represent exactly whichever manner
of representing fractions as it is intended to be represented. So, this
is
just me, I think I'd recommend that each person follow his or her own
beliefs on this one. Because, in this instance, accurate braille
representation will result in inaccurate print representation. And the
opposite is also true.
Now we all know what is accurate in both print and braille, and can
choose.
I personally am leaning toward using a space rather than a hyphen to
separate fractions from the whole numbers to which they are attached.
There
are more print reading children using bookshare, and I've seen older cook
books in braille that used the space to separate the whole numbers from
the
fraction. So, the braille code may have changed at some point.
In any case, this is just my personal preference, and I'd appreciate it if
no one would jump on me for having one. I would really love it if we
could
express fractions accurately for everyone. I just don't see that that can
be done easily. So, each of us needs to choose what we think is best to
do.
Okay, shutting up now. Just wanted you all to know that the braille
transcription manual, unfortunately, does tell us to use the hyphen
between
whole numbers and their attached fractions, and that print disagrees.
Have a great day, everyone!
Mayrie
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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ann Parsons
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 4:49 AM
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Fractions in bookshare files for Braille
readers
Hi all,
No, haven't been reading this thread, but the correct way to write a
compound fraction, that's what they're called, folks, is to use a dash to
indicate that it is one compound fraction. In braille this is what is
done.
Since braille is direct reflection of what is done in print, I would
benture
to say that 1-1/2 is correct as opposed to 1 1/2. The space is incorrect!
In print, the 1/2 part of the fraction is actually printed vertically.
The
one is on top, in super script and is linked vertically to the two by a
slash, a diagonal line. In order for the fraction, compound or otherwise
to
come out right in braille, you must
write the numerator, then a slash and then the denominator. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, terminology again, but it am correct. If we don't
standardize, then braille readers will be all bolixed up.
You cannot put in something you think is just easier for you. You have
to put in what is right, what is standard and what the book says. I
may think that writing a phone number is easier when I write 585-922-3434,
but that is *not* how it is done in the sighted world and it is not
standard
and I can't use it in a Bookshare book. I have to, not should but have to
write (585) 922-3434, not any other format just because I think it is
easier
for me.
Ann P.
Original message:
Hi, Kim!
I didn't think we were allowed to alter text by inserting hyphens. I
personally feel it reads easier with a space between the whole number
and fraction and unless mandated, would NEVER take the time to insert
hyphens in mixed fractions. So, be forewarned if it is a pet peeve of
yours that you will not like my submission after proofreading Bakewise.
Valerie
On Jun 20, 2010, at 4:04 AM, Kim Friedman wrote:
Hi, Pam I would write 1/2 or 1/4 or 1-1/8. When I see fractions, the
slash goes between the numerator and the denominator without spaces.
Hope this helps. Regards, Kim Friedman. P.S.: One of my pet peeves is
seeing a mixed fraction (such as 1-1/2 being written 1 1/2. K.
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Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 6:13 PM
To: book list
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Fractions in bookshare files for Braille
readers
Hey all,
I'm coming across a bunch of fractions for recipes in the book that
I'm proofing. For Braille readers, is the 1 / 2 format better than the
symbol 1 over 2 in one individual space (sorry I can't make this
symbol in e-mail). Any preference?
Thanks for your thoughts,
Pam
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