[bksvol-discuss] Re: Essays and copyright - Ideas and Beliefs of the Victorians -- need Claire's finding
- From: Carrie Karnos <ckarnos@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:39:25 -0800 (PST)
Okay, here's the story. I sent Jim Fruchterman (who knows quite a bit about
copyrights) an email several weeks ago, never heard from him, sent him another
email, and he said 'I already replied to you, I'll send my reply again'. I
never got either of his emails (I'm going to report this as a bug to IT), so
when I saw him today, he printed out his reply which was basically 'look in the
US Copyright Office and in the Library of Congress'. I checked both places.
The Copyright Office says it has only books published from 1978, and your book
was published in 1966, so it's not in their catalog. I checked the Library of
Congress and found the book, but of course they don't mention whether it's
copyrighted or not. AARRGGHH! Luckily Jim stopped by when I was staring at the
screen, so I showed him the Library of Congress entry, and he said to use the
publisher as the copyright author and the publishing date as the copyright
date. Whew! Tough fight but we
made it! Finally an answer!
Carrie
----- Original Message ----
From: Tracy Carcione <carcione@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2008 6:14:34 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Essays and copyright - Ideas and Beliefs of
the Victorians -- need Claire's finding
Carrie,
Claire,
or
any
other
Bookshare
admin
person,
What
was
the
upshot
of
this?
Do
I
go
on
and
validate
this
book,
or
reject
it
as
not
having
a
copyright?
Tracy
>
Claire
asked
me
to
respond
to
this
thread,
and
to
be
blunt,
I
have
no
idea
>
what
to
say.
I
thought
that
a
book
had
to
have
the
word
'copyright'
or
>
the
c-circle
symbol
to
be
copyrighted,
but
there
are
so
many
exceptions,
>
it
boggles
the
mind.
A
week
ago,
someone
else
wrote
about
a
copyright
>
page
that
said
the
book
was
copyrighted
in
full
accordance
of
the
law,
but
>
the
page
neglected
to
mention
a
copyright
holder
or
date.
Arrgghhh!
Does
>
having
an
ISBN
automatically
mean
the
book
is
copyrighted,
even
if
the
>
book
doesn't
mention
the
copyright?
I
don't
think
so...
Let
me
see
if
I
>
can
get
the
Bookshare
powers
that
be
to
answer
both
these
questions.
>
>
Sorry
I
can't
be
of
more
help
right
now.
Maybe
next
week,
I
can!
Carrie
>
>
-----
Original
Message
----
>
From:
Tracy
Carcione
<carcione@xxxxxxxxxx>
>
To:
bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
Sent:
Friday,
February
1,
2008
5:41:16
AM
>
Subject:
[bksvol-discuss]
Re:
Essays
and
copyright
-
Ideas
and
Beliefs
of
>
the
Victorians
--
need
Claire's
finding
>
>
>
Guido,
>
I
>
concur.
>
It
>
sort
>
of
>
looks
>
like
>
a
>
copyright,
>
but
>
it
>
doesn't
>
say
>
so.
>
I
>
haven't
>
rejected
>
it
>
yet,
>
but
>
I
>
don't
>
yet
>
see
>
how
>
I
>
can
>
do
>
otherwise.
>
Lots
>
of
>
books
>
say
>
"published
>
by
>
so-and-so",
>
and
>
that's
>
not
>
the
>
copyright
>
at
>
all.
>
Tracy
>
>>
>
This
>
is
>
a
>
toughy,
>
and
>
may
>
require
>
visual
>
examination
>
of
>
the
>
book
>
and/or
>
a
>>
>
decision
>
by
>
Claire.
>
I
>
suspect
>
copyright
>
is
>
by
>
E.
>
P.
>
Dutton
>
in
>
1966
>
After
>>
>
all,
>
who
>
else's
>
Rights
>
are
>
All
>
Reserved?
>>
>>
>
"First
>
published
>
1966
>
by
>
E.
>
P.
>
Dutton
>
&
>
Co.,
>
Inc.
>>
>
All
>
rights
>
reserved."
>>
>>
>
The
>
above
>
looks
>
like
>
a
>
copyright
>
statement
>
in
>
old-fashioned
>
disguise
>
to
>>
>
me.
>>
>>
>
Guido
>>
>>
>
Guido
>
Dante
>
Corona
>>
>
IBM
>
Research,
>>
>
Human
>
Ability
>
&
>
Accessibility
>
Center,
>
>
(HA&AC)
>>
>
Austin
>
Tx.
>>
>
Phone:
>
512.
>
838.
>
9735.
>>
>
Email:
>
guidoc@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>
Web:
>
http://www.ibm.com/able
>>
>>
>
".
>
.
>
.
>
Maybe
>
it
>
was
>
only
>
those
>
who
>
were
>
most
>
certain
>
they
>
were
>
right
>
who
>>
>
were
>
guaranteed
>
to
>
be
>
wrong.
>
And
>
that
>
maybe,
>
just
>
maybe,
>
those
>
who
>>
>
questioned
>
the
>
most
>
were
>
in
>
the
>
end
>
those
>
who
>
came
>
closest
>
to
>
being
>
wise."
>>
>
[David
>
Poyer,
>
The
>
Command]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
"Tracy
>
Carcione"
>
<carcione@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>
>
Sent
>
by:
>
bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>
01/31/2008
>
09:56
>
AM
>>
>
Please
>
respond
>
to
>>
>
bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>>
>>
>
To
>>
>
bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>
cc
>>
>>
>
Subject
>>
>
[bksvol-discuss]
>
Essays
>
and
>
copyright
>
-
>
Ideas
>
and
>
Beliefs
>
of
>
the
>>
>
Victorians
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
Unless
>
I
>
am
>
advised
>
otherwise,
>
tomorrow
>
I
>
will
>
reject
>
"Ideas
>
and
>
Beliefs
>>
>
of
>
the
>
Victorians"
>
for
>
lack
>
of
>
copyright.
>
I
>
will
>
paste
>
the
>
most
>
pertinent
>>
>
info
>
from
>
the
>
title
>
page
>
at
>
the
>
end
>
of
>
this
>
message,
>
but
>
none
>
of
>
it
>
says
>>
>
anything
>
about
>
copyright.
>
It's
>
a
>
collection
>
of
>
essays,
>
many
>
of
>
which
>
are
>>
>
quite
>
old,
>
but
>
I
>
still
>
think
>
the
>
book
>
needs
>
a
>
copyright.
>
Right?
>>
>
Tracy
>>
>>
>>
>
This
>
paperback
>
edition
>
of
>>
>
"IDEAS
>
AND
>
BELIEFS
>
OF
>
THE
>
VICTORIANS"
>>
>
First
>
published
>
1966
>
by
>
E.
>
P.
>
Dutton
>
&
>
Co.,
>
Inc.
>>
>
All
>
rights
>
reserved.
>
Printed
>
in
>
the
>
U.S.A.
>>
>>
>
Reprinted
>
by
>
special
>
arrangement
>
with
>
the
>
British
>>
>
Broadcasting
>
Corporation
>
and
>
the
>
individual
>
contributors.
>>
>>
>
Published
>
simultaneously
>
in
>
Canada
>
by
>
Clarke,
>>
>
Irwin
>
and
>
Company
>
Limited,
>
Toronto
>
and
>
Vancouver.
>>
>>
>
IDEAS
>
AND
>
BELIEFS
>
OF
>
THE
>
VICTORIANS
>
was
>
first
>
published
>
in
>
1949.
>>
>>
>>
>
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