[bksvol-discuss] Re: Advice requested
- From: "Sue Stevens" <siss52@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 23:15:49 -0500
Hi Mayrie,
I studied French in high school and there were symbol markings in iit too.
The text was written in Grade 1, and there weredifferent symbols for grave,
acute, etc. I wasn't complaining about Scott's post, just observing.
Sue S.
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From: Mayrie ReNae
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 7:17 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Advice requested
Hi Sue,
Our braille translators in JAWS by default read English literary braille.
In that way of writing, any accent is represented as you see it on your
braille display. Were we using the actual translation for Portuguese
braille the accent marks would look different to you. It's been at least 20
years since my study (only two semesters in college) of Portuguese, but the
a in sao is in Portuguese represented by dots 3, 4, and 5. That doesn't
help us, as Bookshare's tools use English literary braille code, but I
thought you might want to know that were you to decide to study a foreign
language, there are ways used in braille to make distinctions between the
different kinds of accent marks in the braille code for each language.
Just in case you had an interest, not to complain, correct anyone, or
anything else. I just thought you might be interested to know.
Sorry if I told you way more than you ever cared about!
Mayrie
-----Original Message-----
From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sue Stevens
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 5:08 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Advice requested
Yes, thank you, Scott. In Braille, on my display, I can't tell any
difference in acute, circumflex, and cadilla. They all look the same. But
I assume people who read this visually can tell a difference.
Thanks,
Sue S.
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Rains
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 6:55 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Advice requested
Is this helpful?
Tilde lowercase a:
São (means "saint")
Acute accent lowercase a:
Páscoa (means "Easter")
Acute accent lowercase o:
biológica (means "biological")
Circumflex lowercase e:
Você (means "you"; formal usage)
Circumflex lowercase o:
Econômica (means "economic")
Umlaut lowercase u:
pingüim (means "penguin")
Cedila lowercase c:
Orçamentos (means "budgets")
On 8/29/11 3:52 PM, "Sue Stevens" <siss52@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Scott, would you please write a word such as San or Sao and put the
symbol in so we can see what it should look like?
Thanks,
Sue S.
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Rains
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 5:06 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Advice requested
Kim,
I'm occasionally in touch with the Brazilians working on digital book
accessibility. Let me ask. I suspect that, as long as Word is using
proper ASCII, the answer that Bob gave about using the virtual keyboard
is going to be the right answer.
Scott
On 8/29/11 2:16 PM, "Kim Friedman" <kimfri11@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi, Scott, how do I put that tilde you mention over the A? Do I turn
on the thumb keys and write an alt key with a number that represents
the A tilde? I know I have a tilde on the computer keyboard but am
unsure how to make that A tilde look good. Any advice I can get will
be appreciated. I think I have a message about circumflexes using the
Control key and something else. Thanks for the info Scott. You see, if
I were writing Braille, (not the Portuguese Braille, but standard
Grade 2
Braille) Any accented letter is marked with a dot 4 in a Braille cell.
For example, if I were writing "puree" (which in French would have an
E accent aigu over the first E), I would write "p-u-r-dot 4-e-e". So
also, if I were writing Sao Paulo in Braille, I'd write "dot 6
(capital letter
sign) s-dot 4-a-o dot 6-p-a-u-l-o". Regards, Kim Friedman.
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Scott Rains
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 1:59 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Advice requested
Kim,
InPortuguese you will most often find the tilde over a before o. For
example, San Franciso in English and Spanish is Sao - with a tilde
over the a - Francisco in Portuguese. Mano is Spanish is mao - with a
tilde over the a - in Portuguese. Circumflex will most often be over
an o occurring as the only vowel in a syllable. It would be very rare
to find umlauts in Portuguese. Even in the Linguistics Department in
Brazil we just ignored the umlaut in the word lingüística .
Scott
On 8/29/11 1:48 PM, "Kim Friedman" <kimfri11@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi, Bob, the problem is that I don't know what symbol is used in the
print, so I can't know the appropriate accent mark to use. I don't
know
if I should use a circumflex mark on the A, a grave, an acute accent,
or an umlaut. (I'm pretty sure the umlaut isn't what I want.)
Regards, Kim Friedman.
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bob W
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 1:41 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Advice requested
What software/hardware are you using?
If in some way you are using jaws (i.e. jaws with word) then you can
press
insert+4 (that's four on the numbers row) and you will get a list of
characters to choose from.
Press enter on the character that meets your needs.
The three a characters you get are: á Á and æ.
Hope this helps.
p.s. even if you're using a program like kurzweil or openbook to
proof with, there are ways to get these characters into those
programs. Just let us know.
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kim Friedman" <kimfri11@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 3:13 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Advice requested
Hi, I'm proofreading a science fiction book. I'm reading the second
story in the anthology. Part of the story takes place in Brazil.
There's a discussion of Sao Paulo. The advice I need is how to put in
the correct accent mark for the A in Sao Paulo (Paulo doesn't use an
accent mark. I know how to write it in Braille, but I don't know
which ASCII character to use for the A in Sao. Please write me back
as I wish
this to look right. Many thanks for the help. Regards, Kim Friedman.
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