[audio-pals] Was Re: Re: Top of the line MAC (Desk Top) Is, Mac Access
- From: Thomas McMahan <thomas.mcmahan@xxxxxxx>
- To: audio-pals@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 15:02:15 -0500
Mac Access.
http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
On Jun 30, 2014, at 2:15 PM, Josh <lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Oh it may have been one of those groups that I seen on another list and
> thought you may be interested. So, that is very possible that I sent it
> thinking about you and then discarded due to it not being of any relevance at
> the time. So, if it is good then if you have that information as well then I
> will go ahead and subscribe. I bet I know where it come from since I am on
> that Bllind Apples group, I bet it came from there.
>
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> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 11:09 AM
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> Subject: [audio-pals] Re: Top of the line MAC (Desk Top)
>
> They aren’t really strict, just have to relate what you are talking about to
> Apple products and accessibility. Even Windows comes up every once in a
> while but it has to relate back to it in context of Mac. There is some
> discussion about phones i pads/pods to some degree as well.
>
> As for Mac Access group, you were the one that turned me on to it, so
> somewhere in your memory bank it is there. I will get you the subscribe
> info. Mac Visionaries is a google group, Mac Access is in it’s own server
> system over in Europe.
>
> The reason I mentioned using a separate e-mail account is that the volume of
> traffic. But if you have all of your mail going to one address it would
> still work, and you can simply set up a rule to shunt the group’s mail into a
> folder as you are doing now. I just don’t care to over load an e-mail
> address. Sometimes mail providers get a little goofy when there’s a lot of
> traffic coming through. Well gmail does at least. Since you are comcast it
> probably handles differently anyway.
>
> When using the mac for mail though you will have to use either Apple Mail or
> read it on the web, if there are any supported versions of outlook they are
> probably useless with voice over. Well last I knew they were, same with
> thunderbird. Amanda would be able to do that, but I am doubting VO will work
> very well with it. But Apple Mail also can tie into multiple applications as
> well, so it can still coordinate or as I use it as a stand alone.
> On Jun 30, 2014, at 12:11 PM, Josh <lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>
> I have never heard of the Mac Access group until today, but Mac Visionaries I
> have heard of. I have all of my e-mail except for the miscellaneous e-mail
> from various businesses and personal e-mail going to my inbox all other
> e-mail goes to their respective folders in my Outlook. So, with the fact that
> I have separate folders for all of my groups would that suffice if I joined
> Mac Visionaries or should I have a separate account all together? If what I
> have will suffice can you give me the subscription information to Mac
> Visionaries? Are they real strict on that list or just like any other list
> that has a specific goal in mind?
>
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> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 3:45 AM
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> Subject: [audio-pals] Re: Top of the line MAC (Desk Top)
>
> Okay, well, now you are crossing into a frontier that I never have, and that
> is using a trackpad.
>
> You may wish to consider joining in one or more of the Mac related groups if
> you aren’t already in any. There are some i-phone groups that cross over
> into Mac, but those are primarily still phone related groups. Of course you
> probably still remember the Mac Access group, that might be one to consider,
> or Mac Visionaries group. If you join the MV group though, I would strongly
> recommend creating a separate address just for that group, it’s history has
> been that it can be a high traffic group in the past. But that group also
> has years of archives considering it goes back at least to 2005. Also most
> everything that you can do with a mouse can be done with a keyboard as well.
> Or in my case with a blue tooth keyboard because I like to be lazy and be in
> a comfortable chair *lol*. So in actuality I am across the room from
> computer and i-phone, but can quickly switch from one to the other. The only
> time I really have to go over there is if I need to use the numpad, and
> that’s just because I haven’t studied up the equilavant for laptop layout
> keyboards for the num pad.
>
> I think though you will find the i-tunes experience better over on the Mac
> side than what they do for the pc. Although perhaps they have improved that,
> it’s been a couple of years since I ever dealt with i-tunes on a pc. I
> thought it was rather clunky to be honest. But that was better than i-tunes
> on the mac from 2005 into 2007, i-tunes was late converting over to coco from
> carbon. So of course it’s accessibility was slower. It wasn’t inaccessible
> totally, but people would write apple scripts to do functions, or to make
> functions accessible such as something simple like deleting a song for
> example.
>
> Now if I could only get my linux box to actually pick up this keyboard
> though, I would really have it made. Could then switch from i-phone, to Mac
> to main linux computer. Would be like a sports nut with 3 tvs, and one
> remote that controls the three *lol*. Well perhaps one day I will get them
> to agree.
>
> On Jun 29, 2014, at 10:26 PM, Josh <lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> I called “My Apple” to see if it was too late to make a change with the mouse
> tonight. The guy I spoke to was great. He not only took care of switching out
> the mouse, but he said it would arrive about a week earlier than the computer
> *LOL*. So, I will have a Track Pad to use with the computer.
>
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> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 6:31 PM
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> Subject: [audio-pals] Re: Top of the line MAC (Desk Top)
>
> Square Trade insurance is offered through a number of different places that
> I’ve been on, I think Tiger Direct offers it. I’m not sure how it would
> necessarily be better though, since if you had to actually send the machine
> back to somewhere it’s going to be Apple, although if you can afford it it
> might not hurt to have both.
>
> Yes from an administrative profile you can see and regulate all profiles
> actually. Also your settings that you set in yours will not carry over to
> the other, well ones like the mouse function etc.
>
> Since I’ve never really had to deal with parental controls I really can’t say
> a lot about those, but I am guessing you can set those up from one of the
> administrative profiles for the one that needed to be controlled. But yes
> using the term account or profile are the same thing, actually I think they
> now call it account in Mavericks. What you hear on the podcasts aren’t going
> to be to far out of date though, especially for fundamental things. Each
> upgrade has some different and new things, but the fundamentals tend to stay
> the same. Or some of the habits of how I do things here that go all the way
> back to the days of Tiger are still usable now
>
> As for Microsoft Suite, don’t know since I never have used it. Haven’t
> really followed that particular topic in the Mac groups that I’m in either.
> with Mavericks.
>
>
> On Jun 29, 2014, at 6:10 PM, Josh <lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> I have been listening to a few of the podcast on www.applevis.com
> . I stumbled upon some Mac tutorials in fact there are 35 tutorials on there
> for the Mac. The unfortunate thing is the tutorials are for I believe
> Mountain Lion or Snow Leopard. I believe our computer will be coming with
> Mavericks. One thing I forgot to ask the guy at the Apple store was how are
> the parental controls. With the profiles can Isee all of the profiles from
> the administrative account? Will use of the mouse on one profile mess up
> Voiceover on my profile? I imagine with the different profiles they will be
> independently controlled. I take it nothing chancy should ever be tried using
> the administrative account. I used account because it seems as though account
> and profile are synonymous account in the PC world and profile in the Apple
> world. Have they ever corrected the fact that Microsoft Suite for Apple is
> not accessible or does that still remain inaccessible? They were telling me
> that Fusionware cost about $40 in stores, but they do not carry it in the
> Apple store. Amanda looked at the retina display and was amazed at the
> quality it adds for a sighted person. She said the picture of the Cheetah
> that the guy in the store showed her zoomed in to where she could see the
> person taking the picture through the Cheetah’s eyes. I guess my real concern
> right now is the parental controls and the different profiles effecting other
> profiles. We did purchase the 1-to-1 for 1 year which should be helpful.
> Someone was talking on the Blind Apple group about a Square Trade Insurance.
> Have you ever heard of that? They said that Square Trade is better than Apple
> Care.
>
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> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 2:36 PM
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> Subject: [audio-pals] Re: Top of the line MAC (Desk Top)
>
> With standard mouse you won’t have to go into system preferences and change
> defaults, but you probably will with the magic mouse or your voice over is
> likely to act up. Well especially if you actually try to use the mouse. Not
> sure if they’ve solved all of that mix up yet. Maybe by now they have, but,
> system preferences isn’t do difficult to access and change values. Also in
> there set it to be able to use mouse keys, that will make it easier again
> dealing with voice over and navigating around with the keyboard. So in other
> words, turn mouse keys on if they aren’t already when you get the machine.
> Amanda can do her own settings in her profile. Yes it’s probably best to
> have
> multiple profiles set up. One each that are administrative, and at least one
> which doesn’t have administrative privileges. Then if you want to try
> something that you feel might be chancy, you can do it in the profile that
> doesn’t have those privileges. Thus if the profile is ruined or crashes,
> just log into the administrative one, and delete the other, well save what
> you can from the one that is broken first then delete it out.
>
> Profiles themselves don’t take up a lot of room, a lot of the stuff can be
> commonly accessed from any of the profiles such as the list of apps and so
> forth, but agreeing to major updates etc have to be done using an
> administrative password. It’s probably not that different than having multi
> accounts in a windows machine I would think.
> When you get the machine though it will be one of the fastest ones you’ve
> ever bought and set up though. Most things are fairly obvious. However,
> your mouse if it uses a cord can be hooked into the keyboard, there are two
> usb ports on keyboard, one on each side. There is often a ridge running
> across the bottom of keyboard near the side where it’s cord is, and the usb
> ports are one each end of that ridge. So if you prefer mouse on left side
> you’re covered, although we’ve always put it on the right side. If it is a
> wireless mouse that will be different.
>
> Once you have it hooked up and going it and find the power button, it should
> sound with a G major cord a few seconds after starting, but you aren’t ready
> to go, unlike with windows the Mac finds it’s hardware first which is why you
> hear the sound, you will have a bit of time before it goes through it’s boot
> up still, but it will start talking to you when it’s gone into it’s log in.
> It will give you instructions going one way will give you a tutorial for
> Voice Over, and the rest of us who know it are given a key command to press
> and then it will continue the set up process. That being giving the machine
> your Apple ID etc, and setting up i-cloud etc.
>
> None of this stuff is difficult, but it will be different than what you are
> used to from coming from a windows environment and it’s set up procedures.
> But in reality it won’t take long actually. A little longer of course if you
> want to go through the tutorial.
>
> Apple keyboard for example has no insert key. The general pattern though is
> the same as your IBM keyboard on the surface, but there are some with
> different names. The control key is the same. But instead of your window,
> or supper, key, it is an option key. Then instead of alt, it is command.
>
> You will have a learning curve, but if you have learned Jaws, it actually
> won’t be as steep of a curve, it’s more a factor of learning Mac’s terms, and
> realizing that it is just done differently over here. Jaws has a lot of
> stuff that works behind the scenes that sighted people looking at a screen
> won’t see. Voice Over tracks and moves for the most part as what a sighted
> person will also see. There are some situations where an element may be
> missed by voice over that is visible to a sighted person, usually happens on
> some web pages, and also when it just isn’t very handy to happen either.
>
> The first few days will be annoying, but once you start getting comfortable
> and getting around inside the machine, I think you will like it. Since you
> have experience with an i-phone, you already know about Apple’s
> intuitiveness. What it does, it does and it works right out of the box.
> Can’t say that about a lot of systems in the phone and computer world.
>
>
> On Jun 29, 2014, at 3:22 PM, Josh <lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> I may purchase the standard Apple mouse at a later date, but I do not recall
> if you said why the standard mouse over the magic mouse.
>
> From: audio-pals-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:audio-pals-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thomas McMahan
> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 5:17 PM
> To: audio-pals@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [audio-pals] Re: Top of the line MAC (Desk Top)
>
> Not bad, but I think I would get the standard Apple mouse. It’s good that
> you get the Apple Care that can be very handy, you would just give them your
> number and they can help you and you aren’t charged technical support fees
> then. You may not need it, but it’s handy to have if there’s a problem.
> There is also a number strictly for accessibility problems too over there,
> they’ve had that for a year or so.
>
> You may wish to explore increasing your ram though. That is usually what
> catches up with age, as they develop it requires more ram and of course if
> you have minimum amount when building your machine you will notice the
> machine slowing down as they keep updating the OS.
> On Jun 26, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Josh <lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> Well, it will be impossible to spend that portion since the attorney kept the
> portion that is potentially owed to Medicare. I am glad he did though as it
> prevents us from accidentally getting into it. The portion that he released
> to us is strictly the portion that is ours after everyone is paid.
>
> The Mac that we are looking at getting once we are able to get a hold of the
> money is, get a hold of the money as in cash form rather than check form is
> the following:
> - 21.5 “iMac
> - 2.7 GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i5, turbo boost up to 3.2 GHz
> - 16 GB 1600 MHz DDR 3 SD RAM 2X 8GB
> - 1 TB serial ATA Drive @ 5400 rpm
> - Apple Magic Mouse
> - Apple wireless keyboard
> - Accessory Kit ( What is this if you know?)
> Software:
> - Pages, Numbers, Keynote
> - iPhoto, iMovie, Garage Band (I guess our nephew will like this
> one)
> - OS X
> - Apple Care Protection Plan
> - 1-to-1 Membership for 1 year
>
> Taxes and all: 1930.45
>
> How does this sound? Is there something that you would change and if so why?
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