[audio-pals] Re: Finally
- From: "Josh" <lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <audio-pals@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 10:42:18 -0700
Something I wish existed as well for Android is a website such as
Applvis.com which is devoted to Apple. I learned a ton about my phone from
the Applevis podcast and really that is the part I wish they had for
Android, the podcast. So, far I have turned to Youtube for material such as
this, but that is mainstream and does not cover it from an accessibility
standpoint. This morning I receive an e-mail from windows secrets discussing
antivirus programs for the Android device so I forwarded that on over to
them. I believe they are going to find that they like the iPad a lot better
than the Android devices that they purchased. Well, one was free based on a
point system that their carrier uses. I probably will download via computer
if it proves to be much faster, but if it is slower or about the same then
it will just come down to which one is more convenient because I have
unlimited everything with my phone service except calls to landline phones
and that is set at 1500 minutes a month.
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Subject: [audio-pals] Re: Finally
Yep I-phones you get what you get out of the box, and the same with the
computer. The fundamentals are the same. Go next door and see how
accessible their pc is for you to use without bringing over a memory stick
or a dvd or cd with a program that will talk, but if your neighbor has a mac
just do command f5 and voice over comes up. It was rather revolutionary
thinking on Apple's part. A quiet revolution, but it paid off within 2
years of it happening with Voice Over being put on i-phones, again
revolutionary. Android I guess is nice for sighted people, but it can be
dicey concerning accessibility, it isn't always that clear depending on
certain variations within a given phone and what it exactly has, and
sometimes involves multiple apps to get it working right, thus not built in
natively whereas Mac OS and I-OS have voice over built in natively, thus
it's more stable. Again revolutionary in their thinking. I'm sure a lot of
developers in 2005 weren't happy about going to coco framework from carbon,
but Apple basically said that is the way it was going to be, and they could
adapt or be left behind. They adapted for the most part.
Is Apple perfect? No, but at least it is consistent for what it does, and
works out of the box, also has the bells and whistles that a lot of people
like, well in the phone world at least.
Android is Linux based, of course there are some advantages, but the
disadvantages are that like it's parent source it is apt to variate, and the
linux world is very full of variations. One distro of linux may be fairly
easy to make accessible, yet another may not be accessible at all with no
development yet to make it accessible even now.
So guess it just comes to picking your garden and what you like in taste for
your garden. All of them are gardens, even linux to a small degree even
though it looks more like a wilderness, you have to work at accessibility,
and or finding it, and well, you get what you pay for, and since Linux is
free, sometimes you get exactly that. Lots of chiefs and not many indians
because the indians don't want to spend a lot of time learning something,
they want to point and click and go. Most people that you meet and talk to
about Linux have little idea what is available, if they even know what Linux
itself is. But they all know about Windows OS and Mac OS. They may have
strong opinions either way, but they know something about them to some
degree. Mention Linux and they think you are wanting to talk about furnaces
*lol*.
As for sinking, it uses the cloud for some things, but i-tunes for things
like apps. I would recommend downloading apps via your computer, and not
the phone itself, it is faster using computer on preferably ethernet, then
just hook up phone and sink via i-tunes. Doesn't use your carrier limits
that way too. But with reminders app you can send to either device. I've
done reminders on phone and had it send to computer when it was due and the
other way around. So I'm sure with Calendar you can basically do the same
thing. It is in the process of becoming scemeless between Apple devices,
and it sounds like when the next major OS and I-OS come out it is going to
be even more integrated. That is the talk from Apple when they let it out
that they were going to do I-OS 8 and whatever their next major OS update
comes out. We just had a minor update for computers with OS, but that was
Safari and security updates, not a lot really. But it wasn't to far apart
from the last I-OS update. Usually the phones update first.
Back to the gardens of operating systems, I know of no one who has made any
form of BSD accessible yet. Linux is a small amount of users as a whole,
but it is large compared to the population using BSD. BSD is very secure
though, but, well, not usable for the blind yet in any way. Theoretically
people think Orca could be ported into BSD but I know of no one who has
tried that yet. Only know one person who has experimented with BSD, and
that person can no longer see well enough to use it now.
On Jul 10, 2014, at 3:08 AM, Josh <lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Yeah. The guy that I corresponded with he was extremely nice so I suspect
that I will learn a lot from the list. Sounds good learning it together. I
like the calendar app on the iPhone and I am sure that it will sync up or at
least I hope it will anyways. I've been trying to learn a little about the
Android plat form on the phones as well being that my dad and mom just took
the leap into the smart phone world. So, I am in the process of subscribing
to a list regarding Android as well. One thing it seems as though I am
learning up front is each phone is different as far as lay-out whereas the
iPhone just has a universal lay-out out of the box these phones according to
the internet may have different icons dpending on the carrier and the
various task that need to be completed may be located in various places as
well.
I hope that one day Apple will give us an SD slot so we can add more
memory, but I do not look for that to happen anytime soon unless the Android
catches up to them and gives them more competition. Additionally, it is nice
to dream of one day when the iPhone will have a removable battery.
I did learn that there is a pinhole on the side of the iPhone while
visiting with my cousin from the Philippines yesterday. The pinhole
according to her is for the placement of a sim card. I had a nice long visit
with my cousin and her two kids yesterday. We had plan to go swimming, but
when we got to the pool it was closed for repairs. So, instead of swimming
we went bowling. After a couple of games of bowling we finished out the
evening at the Cracker Barrel.
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Subject: [audio-pals] Re: Finally
Don't worry, when I wanted to subscribe under different address I had to go
through the same questioning. I just explained who I am and they figured it
out and got me in then. So it's a matter of who is around and paying
attention or not.
But when you have questions people there will help you if you don't ask them
here too.
Also Micro Soft's office suite is basically inaccessible with voice over, a
person I was talking to confirmed that for me today, it is quite common with
Micro Soft products though, but you could try Open Office, and it's price is
a big wapping FREE! Perhaps that can help you with some of the stuff you
do. The most inaccessible part of office stuff in the Mac world though is
doing spreadsheet. There is an app called Tables that some people are are
using, but you can of course ask questions on the Mac Visionaries list of
course. Since I don't do that sort of stuff I probably can't help you much.
I always kept my business on paper and in my head. I am thinking about
sitting down and learning the calendar stuff though, it might be handy for
remembering long term stuff. I wouldn't likely forget when property taxes
are due for example, can be in the ball park for that kind of stuff, but say
to remember Rascal's vaccinations or something like that it could be handy.
I use that example because I forgot until almost to late to schedule those
and of course his registration with the County. They just have to have that
12 Dollars to send me a cheap flimsy tag to remind me that he has had his
rabies shot *lol*. Well he will get the 3 year shot, he's young enough to
gamble on that so we won't hear from the County for 3 years concerning him.
But little things like that when a little card comes in the mail 2 or three
months in advance would be handy to input it into the system and get a
reminder. The memory isn't 100% apparently anymore. I don't like that, but
perhaps it's about time for it to start losing some of it's edge, although I
view that as a weakness in myself because my memory has always been a pretty
good one, especially for anything that is long term.
So perhaps some of this stuff we'll learn together.
Oh also, if you bring up either Mission Control, or dashboard accidentally,
just hit the escape key. Also VO keys m twice in quick succession brings up
your "menu Extras, which is where your notifications are, also your dropbox
status is there which is handy to have if you are uploading something.
Also VO shift M brings up context menu, or hold down control key and num pad
five can do the same thing. Many things in the mac world have two or three
ways to accomplish the same purpose. There are a lot of keyboard shortcuts
you can use to get around, as I mentioned before, I rarely use the physical
mouse, I leave that for sighted people to use.
On Jul 10, 2014, at 12:54 AM, Josh < <mailto:lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx>
lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Well, I had to be a little persistent, but I am now on MacVisionaries. As of
right now I have it going into the same Apple folder as my other group. The
last time I applied to join I left out the reason by accident, but that
accient is why I am now in I do believe because I received an e-mail from
what I believe to be the owner or at least one of the mods requesting my
reason for wanting to join the group because it did not show up with my
application. I gave them the reason and explained that I have been tring
since 2013 and within about an hour I was in. It is definitely a high
traffic group.
Today has been a pretty good day with the exception of some behavior
problems. I guess I will eventually train Amanda. No, just kidding *LOL*. We
received the last portion of our settlement today so that is all said and
done as well as the Medicare letter showing that we do not owe them
anything.
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