I don't believe those theoretical ideals can be excised from the embodied
consciousness that produces them, as Edelman teaches us and you wrote about so
brilliantly all those years ago, in terms of homeostasis. No matter how loftily
we ideationalise our criteria for validity, it still comes down to feelings.
Perhaps the loftier the criteria, the more feelings we invest.
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So theorising is more about affiliation;
less about relative explanatory potential and valid reasoning,
and more about being bound together as a community
by the interpretations of the theory produced by the community.
And these interpretations serve as icons that the community can rally around
and should celebrate.
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On Sun, 24 Mar 2024 at 20:04, David Rose
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Yes, the question’s not about grammar is it? It’s about metalanguage, so the
explanation is necessarily at the stratum of register. And it’s not just a
question about the theory, and its uses in analyses, applications, publishing
and teaching, but about the community of users that we’re privileged to belong
to. It’s about belonging and authority... who has the authority to interpret,
extend or enhance the theory and its applications, whose analyses should be
celebrated by the community, who’s inside. The simple answer is all of us. We
all belong to the community, and we all draw our repertoires from its reservoir
of appliable theory. We’re all guided by each other. The answers I’ve given are
the best I can do, so thanks for asking the questions.
“Aunty,” Jem spoke up, “Atticus says you can choose your friends but you sho’
can’t choose your family, an’ they’re still kin to you no matter whether you
acknowledge ’em or not, and it makes you look right silly when you don’t.”
D
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Subject: [asflanet] Re: Halliday's response to criticism
So the obvious explanatory advantage of this grammatical analysis:
[cid:ii_18e7303628cf0cbff1f6]
over this grammatical analysis:
[cid:ii_18e7303628c4dc67b7b7]
isn't grammatical at all. It's explanatory advantage is viewed from 'above'
language, from the level of context:
F: a traditional multivariate Hallidayan analysis of nom gp functions, but with
all realising syntagms accounted for, using subj dupl labels, and possessive
suffixes explicitly labelled as non-recursive #b
M: clearly displays each structure:syntagm cycle at each rank
T: authority of a ‘standard analysis’ plus, and it’s counterexpectantly funnier
So what does the first analysis have that construes this context that the
second analysis lacks?
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On Sun, 24 Mar 2024 at 08:45, David Rose
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
I’d kinda hoped it was obvious, a linguistic double entendre
But OK, it’s a pleasant Sunday morning exercise that someone may find useful,
evaluating field, mode, tenor
The full arguments are in...
Martin, J. R., & Doran, Y. J. (2023). Structure markers: A subjacency duplex
analysis. Language, Context and Text, 5(1), 16-48.
Maybe Yaegan could post a pdf, as I can’t download through usyd?
This nom gp is ambiguous, with two different experiential interpretations. I
offered three analyses...
1. Whose king’s hat? – counterexpectant interpretation
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F: a traditional multivariate Hallidayan analysis of nom gp functions, but with
all realising syntagms accounted for, using subj dupl labels, and possessive
suffixes explicitly labelled as non-recursive #•
M: clearly displays each structure:syntagm cycle at each rank
T: authority of a ‘standard analysis’ plus, and it’s counterexpectantly funnier
2. Whose king’s hat?
[cid:ii_18e7303628c5b16b29]
F: a re-analysis of nom gp classifying function, as recursive subclassification
at word rank, rather than multivariate group functions (Classifier Thing)
M: displays complementarity of subjacent and hypotactic word rank structures
T: more radical, but interesting, potentially inspiring further research
3. Whose hat? – expectant interpretation
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generated]
F: more accurate than a ‘gamma beta alpha’ analysis, because this isn’t a
hypotactic series. The Deictic is realised by an embedded nom gp [England’s
king], which itself has a Deictic Thing structure
M: explicit syntagm labelling reveals this structuring
T: not as funny
David
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Subject: [asflanet] Re: Halliday's response to criticism
I'll try again.
What explanatory advantage does your analysis have
[cid:ii_18e7303628cf0cbff1f6]
over the standard SFL analysis:
[cid:ii_18e7303628c4dc67b7b7]
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On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 at 22:55, David Rose
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
That was the joke... whose hat? – England’s king’s, or whose king’s hat? –
England’s
Now I have to explain the punchline ;-/
In both interpretations, group and word rank can be analysed in a single display
Whose king’s hat?
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• and •• are symbols for Head and Modifier, so no need to restate. The hash #
means non-recursive (only one ‘s). So subjacent duplexes rather than hypotactic
series.
The other interpretation is more structurally complex. It isn’t a hypotactic
series because the Deictic is realised by an embedded nom gp [England’s king],
which itself has a Deictic Thing structure.
Whose hat?
[cid:ii_18e7303628c5b16b25]
This would have blown dear old Peter Matthews’ fuse.
David
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Subject: [asflanet] Re: Halliday's response to criticism
What explanatory advantage does the subjacency duplex analysis provide over the
Standard Model?
[cid:ii_18e7303628c2c91aec3]
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On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 at 16:07, David Rose
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Hi Rosemary
Pin Wang and Michael Cummings are þa lareowas for OE.
Nominative, genitive and dative cover a lot of ground don’t they? The names are
vaguely functional, but they denote forms with multiple varying functions.
Wouldn’t you like to see SFL sweep away the baggage of latinate morpheme
labels, and start anew from functions? Then we could call it a possessive
Deictic, realised by a nom gp with possessive function marker. It’s then
irrelevant if the marker has the same form as a different function.
I think what’s Whorfian are the reactances, that function differently in
different structures, e.g.
England’s king and the king of England might both be called possessive, but
they are different structures...
[cid:ii_18e7303628c5b16b22]
;-)
How does OE handle the king of England’s hat?
:David
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Hi David,
Another difficulty of grammatical analysis resulting from the effacement of Old
English morphology in Modern English? Whorf's covert trace?
In Old English, a noun group within a noun group.
The morphology of the Head noun is determined by its function in the clause.
The morphology of the "enclosed" noun group remains the genitive.
Eg, with masculine nominative case for Head noun
þæs cyninges þegen "the king's thane" The king's thane [came into the hall].
þæs cyninges biscopas "the king's bishops"
Or eg with masculine dative (no preposition in OE):
[He sent a message] to the king's thane. þæs cyninges þegene.
[He sent a message] to the king's bishops. þæs cyninges biscopum.
Best,
Rosemary.
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This seems to be the last time MAKH took the time to respond to criticisms of
his work – 1966! It’s interesting for many reasons, amongst which...
- how much of the theory was already in place
- what it shows of his reasoning and positioning in prior lx
- how stressful he found it, which shows in occasional annoyance and yes,
sarcasm, ‘Matthews' crusading zeal on the part of those he considers less able
to look after themselves seems to have led him to think it has never been
questioned’ ;-)
- how much of the criticism is ostensibly about names, ‘to the extent that his
objections are purely terminological they could of course be accommodated if
one knew what they were’.
- the critical gambit of putting words in one’s mouth, and his bemused
response, ‘There remains the question of the king of England's hat, where
Matthews has invented a problem on my behalf by insisting that either the king
of England or 's must be a word.’
If Matthews were around today, what would he make of this?
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Happy weekend reading
:David