Nikolay, you are right about the TIL but what I am trying to understand is why, starting from the same characterization data (FOGRA39) and using the same TIL and a similar Black generation rule, I am not able to obtain a result similar to that produced by different profiling software. The problem is that I find almost impossible to manage the CMY inks level the way I want. The same TIL, as you say, can lead to a black curve that ends at the upper right corner of the graph, only if you can limit/define the amount of CMY versus K along the whole range from 0 to 100%. In the list there are experts that can say if I'm wrong saying that we are speaking about what is normally called "Black Width"... Fabrizio ----- Original Message ----- From: Nikolay Pokhilchenko To: argyllcms@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 5:18 AM Subject: [argyllcms] Re: [argyllcms] Re: Colprof question It's a characteristics of the inks. At the right side of graph is the blackest color that is possible. But the blackest is by no means maximum black ink. The most black color is achieved by the mix of inks taking into account the TIL. The absorption by spectrum of color inks and black ink are multiplies. The black ink alone not so black as the mix. Moreover, taking in account the reflection power of inks, increasing of black in the blackest formula leads to decreasing blackness. So the black can't reach upper right corner at certain TILs. Yo can play with TIL and may be You get black at upper right corner. -----Original Message----- From: Fabrizio Levati <fabrizio.levati@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <argyllcms@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:49:36 +0100 Subject: [argyllcms] Re: Colprof question Now that I learnt something more, getting the same plots as yours, I'm still wondering: why it seems impossible to push the black curve end point toward the upper right coordinates limit? Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Argyll is supposed to behave exactly as another CMS but I just want to learn as much and as well as possible from your experience. Thanks Fabrizio