This message was posted by GailForce Designs on AmayaUsers.com. PLEASE DO NOT REPLY VIA EMAIL. Instead, respond to the thread on the WEBSITE by clicking here: http://www.amayausers.com/boards/ultimatebb.php?/topic/2/463.html#000003 I did my first visor job a few weeks ago. I did not use the cap frame. Instead I used my slimline clamp with adhesive backing. I stuck the visor down flat with the two sides and bill under the clamp and the top of the visor held down flat to the adhesive backing. In DesignShop I raised the letters on either side of the middle letter a little higher, stair stepping them just slightly on both sides. After a few tries I found the level each letter needed to be at to appear straight once sewed out on the visor. If you have the slimline frame I would suggest trying this as it worked for me! Natalie =========================================================== The AmayaUsers Mailing List Website: http://www.amayausers.com Discussion Board: http://www.amayausers.com/boards Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.amayausers.com/list ===========================================================