This message was posted by signman on AmayaUsers.com. PLEASE DO NOT REPLY VIA EMAIL. Instead, respond to the thread on the WEBSITE by clicking here: http://www.amayausers.com/boards/ultimatebb.php?/topic/1/364/2.html#000016 You're right...it's the CCF we went 'back' to. The WACF never worked right for the hats we did even though it worked in the training classes just fine. I kept one of them, 'just in case' I needed it-and it has never been out of the box in over 3 years. CCF is the only one we could get to work right! Some day, some how...we'll get time to 'play' on the machine and figure out how to do some of the things we can't yet-like visors, back and sides of hats, even 'bucket' hats-haven't been able to hoop one of those successfully yet and I have a case of them to use. =========================================================== The AmayaUsers Mailing List Website: http://www.amayausers.com Discussion Board: http://www.amayausers.com/boards Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.amayausers.com/list ===========================================================