Hey Rod, Don't get me wrong I think my two machines are great. But, the trimming mechanism\process is a fundmental requirement of the machine, it has to work every time, all the time, under every condition (ie humidity, temp, type of thread, etc) It's the former engeering\customer service in me writing this. How ofthen do your machines miss trims? Just wondering. thanks...bp Rod or Sharon wrote: Herb, Bob, John, My gut feeling is that it is not a software or machine problem.........not what you want to hear I know but after experiencing many miss trims of my own off and on, I think that just the thread itself causes more problems than anything else. A mechanical missed trim would be where thelower knife would miss picking up the thread altogether and just not pull it into and under the upper knife. The missed trims I have witnessed have been where the thread is caught, pulled under the upper knife and mashed flatbetween the two blades, kind of like a dull pair of scissors will do. Thereason, I believe, that making adjustments in thread feed appears to have an affect, is that it may change the tension of the thread as it is being pulled into and under the upper knife. Humidity may play a part in this as I suspect dry thread, old thread, bum thread, may play a bigger part than we realize I'm just thinking out loud here........and adding my 2 cents........not ruling out software , mechanical , or design issues, just offering some thoughts....... Rod Embroidery Cottage Rod &Sharon Springer Melco Trained Amaya Tech/Trainer Design Shop Pro+ Digitizing Boise, ID 83713 208-938-3038 ----- Original Message ----- From: "HK Acree" <hkacree@xxxxxxxxxxxx>[1] To: <amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>[2] Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 8:04 PM Subject: [amayausers] Re: Incomplete Trims Bob. I agree with you on the thickness part. Say I am at a five, get missed trims, go to a four, get thread breaks. Go in to thread feed, adjust to say 35-40. Missed trims are better but the sewout suffers from not enough thread. Think there is an issue here but have not found the answer. Herb Royal Embroidery ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Purvis" <bob.purvis@xxxxxxx>[3] To: <amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>[4] Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 6:12 PM Subject:[amayausers] Re: Incomplete Trims I always get incomplete trims and always have. On two machines. It has been better since I had them looked at, adjusted, etc. But I still get them. Screw up several sewouts..... I run my material thickness on the higher side and think it has something to do with it. But in the end I think its a design flaw. I live with it, not sure why. Take care..... bob purvis island embroidery John Yaglenski wrote: Our princess has just recently started occasionally missing a trim. She tries, does not complete, moves on to the next area and usually at that point, breaks the thread and stops the job. Thoughts on solving this, or do I need call tech support? - - - - John Yaglenski Chairman &CEO, Levelbest Communications I: http://www.levelbest.com[5] P: 888.229.1779 / 301.591.2481 Levelbest Network Sites Include: intercot.com / webdisney.com / intercotwest.com urbanamaryland.com / mousehut.com / udflyers.com levelbestembroidery.com --- Links --- 1 mailto:hkacree@xxxxxxxxxxxx 2 mailto:amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 3 mailto:bob.purvis@xxxxxxx 4 mailto:amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 5 http://www.levelbest.com