All, Very interesting reading all the responses to this subject. Basically what I get is that I am not doing anything fundamentally incorrect, it is just the nature of the beast. Appreciate all the input. Lots of good tips. On to another day. Herb ----- Original Message ----- From: Jstgrma@xxxxxxx To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 6:49 AM Subject: [amayausers] Re: Hooping Where do you get the "pallet spray"? Sounds like it would be better than what I'm using. Thanks, Karen Embroidery Plus