Hey folks, I am amazed but not surprised but we all seem to do it a little different. Here is my process. I was never able to hoop backing and fabric, never could get both pieces with the same tension. If one was tight the other was loose. Gave up. I have for many years and still today only hoop the fabric and then add either tear away adhesive backing which does give me adhesive build up on needles that you have to watch or spray adhesive on either cut away or tear away backing. I have the best luck with the spray adhesive and either cut away or tear away. The only down side is that it adds additional steps of having to spray your pre cut backing material and cleaning your hoops every so often with some denatured alcohol to remove the adhesive buildup. I most recently used the spray adhesive for three soccer teams worth of navy blue fleece sweats. They turned out very nice but left a pretty ugly build up of adhesive and navy fleece on the back. Alcohol did a nice job of removing the adhesive albeit a little slow and needed a little elbow grease but it will not attack the plastic as some other solvents will, ie. acetone and MEK. One fluid I have also used for years for removing residual adhesive is WD-40, works great especially adhesive retail price labels on glass. Good luck Herb! Mike Ginny's Place, LLC walkermaj@xxxxxxxxxxx _____ From: amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of HK Acree Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 12:58 PM To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [amayausers] Hooping Okay all you folks that been doing this forever, I need some guidance. I read somewhere eons ago about pre-tensioning your hoops. The deal was you get the fabric and backing together then put them in the hoop while it is real loose. Then you tighten the screw, by hand, till it is just snug. This was supposed to give you the right tension during hooping. Sounds good to me. Problem I am having, and really always have, is when I get the fabric hooped I end up with loose fabric in the hoop. Have to gently pull the edges to get the fabric taut. I know this is wrong and read (maybe I read too much) that this is caused by the hoop being to tight and pushing the fabric into the hoop. So I loosen the hoop up, still does it, loosen it some more, not much better. Now I am at the point where I am not sure the garment will stay in the hoop. Not good. This happens primarily when working with thin woven materials.What am I doing wrong? Open to all suggestions, including forgetting about it and going fishing. Herb