Wendy, I just returned yesterday from my two days of training at Melco's Training center in Gurnee, Ill and I must say your idea of hooping is closer to what Melco recommends than anything else I've read the past couple of days. The first thing they said about hooping is NEVER-NEVER use adheasives of any kind. They had us put our piece of fabric over the backing and then take out the relaxation with your hands. You do this by smoothing the fabric over the backing with your hands. You put both hands over the center of the fabric and smooth outward several times. It helps the fabric and backing blend better. The instructor also said to make sure the bottom hoop screw has been loosened a great deal when you slip on the top hoop. You should not have to put any effort into fitting the top hoop into the bottom. She also said you should press lightly on the bottom edge of the top hoop first as you slide it into the bottom hoop and then let the rest of the hoop slide in, not pop in with great effort. Lastly tighten the two hoops together and there should be little problem. Just thought I'd pass this on since I just returned from class yesterday. ---- Original Message ----- From: Itchin To Stitch To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 9:28 AM Subject: [amayausers] Re: Hooping Herb, I've gotten alot of good info. on hooping from Helen Hart and it is how I hoop. After awhile you just get a feel for what is right for a particular garment. By pretensioning and then tightening once the garment is hooped you run the risk of hoop burn and the wrinkle effect around your design after you remove the hoop. I never, ever pull knits to get out wrinkles after hooping. I start over, believe me I've thrown many a knit shirt into the scrap box by pulling after hooping or tightening my hoop screws after hooping. What I usually do if I'm working on a group of like shirts is get the hoop set right with the first shirt, sometimes hooping and rehooping several times to get it right. After that it's good to go for the rest of the shirts (99% of the time). Hope this helps you. You should joing the E-line, there's great info. shared there too. Wendy Solomonson Itchin' To Stitch Arlington, MN (507)964-2224 ----- Original Message ----- From: HK Acree To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 1:57 PM Subject: [amayausers] Hooping Okay all you folks that been doing this forever, I need some guidance. I read somewhere eons ago about pre-tensioning your hoops. The deal was you get the fabric and backing together then put them in the hoop while it is real loose. Then you tighten the screw, by hand, till it is just snug. This was supposed to give you the right tension during hooping. Sounds good to me. Problem I am having, and really always have, is when I get the fabric hooped I end up with loose fabric in the hoop. Have to gently pull the edges to get the fabric taut. I know this is wrong and read (maybe I read too much) that this is caused by the hoop being to tight and pushing the fabric into the hoop. So I loosen the hoop up, still does it, loosen it some more, not much better. Now I am at the point where I am not sure the garment will stay in the hoop. Not good. This happens primarily when working with thin woven materials.What am I doing wrong? Open to all suggestions, including forgetting about it and going fishing. Herb