Hi John
I think it depends on what skills are necessary for the job.
For example, when I look for staff, I am wanting people that
are able to use deafblind manual. I also want staff that are able to
drive.
able to assist in the home.
Talking about deafblind manual it's amazing how many
people don't have the ability to do it.
I mean not many computer trainers have this skill.
When I need a trainer here, I am forced to either
employ an interpreter, or use one of my own staff
to asssit with communication with the trainer.
Derek
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of John Farley
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 11:08 PM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: braille changes petition
George,
I have now retired, and so am no longer in a position to employ
people.
However, more to the point, I would, and did, have exactly the same
reaction
as you to a badly written job application.
If an applicant cannot, or does not bother, to write an application in
clear
and correct English then I simply ignored that application. It is too
important in any professional capacity for someone not to have the
ability
to communicate in correct English.
Regards, John
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf of
George Bell
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 9:42 PM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: braille changes petition
Derek,
If I was reviewing print job applications and received a badly written
letter, with grammatical and spelling errors, along with incorrect
capitalisation, the letter would most likely be binned, no matter who
or
where it had come from.
I would also expect my employees to have a decent standard of written
English for them to communicate using Word, e-mail and such like.
George
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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf of
Derek Hornby
Sent: 25 July 2015 18:31
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: braille changes petition
Hi George
I agree with you to a point.
Are all blind people expected to spell correctly, use correct
grammar.
What about sighted people?
Do the same rules not apply!
Derek
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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of
George Bell
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 3:27 PM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: braille changes petition
Hi Alison,
Without capitals, how would a braille reader know that iPhone, iPad,
and
such like are spelling with a lower case letter I, followed by upper
case P.
and the rest lower case?
In many cases it doesn't matter, but when the braille user is writing
print,
or using a braille to print device or program, it looks like sloppy
typing.
The RNIB are doing SEB to UEB one day courses, as are a few others.
George
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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of
CJ &AA MAY
Sent: 25 July 2015 09:31
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: braille changes petition
I have no problem with the use of the capital indicators in children's
books
although I learnt braille as a ten-year-old and later trained as a
shorthand
typist and never had any problems learning where to capitalise. But I
see
little benefgit to adult material being capitalised.
It's quite challenging for me at the moment as I am in the middle of
teaching Braille to two adults and am using the Fingerprint books.
I've needed to unteach and for of the with and have to keep the UEB
guidelines with me to remind me which of the lower cells are no longer
in
use.
Is there a teaching course for the UEB system?
Alison
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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of
Dave Sheridan
Sent: 24 July 2015 23:30
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: braille changes petition
Hi Alison
Having worked in education all my life as a teacher and for the last
15 years of this as a braille teacher I disagree with you. I'm in no
doubt
that the capital indicator and others you speak of will be of benefit
to
children using braille in schools and colleges. I do accept that for
some
children they will cause more confusion than to be of help but as
teachers
we are able adjust the learning programme for each individual student.
All the best from Dave
Sent from my iPhone
On 24 Jul 2015, at 19:59, CJ &AA MAY <chrisalismay@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Dave, I received this document too but it wasn't a consultation. The
decision had already been made.consultation
I think we were invited to comment but unlike an earlier
15 years ago, this time we were not in a position to stop EUB beingit
introduced.
I can see the reasons for introducing UEB, I am just resentful that
has been imposed upon us. The comparison I quote is all the printall
publishers suddenly deciding that all the English-speaking world
should use the same spelling and making a decision that in future
publications would usethe
American style of spelling - can you imagine the uproar!capitalisation
As a teacher of braille, I would also argue that the changes really
won't make much difference to the ease of learning braille.
Although I will learn to tolerate the changes to abbreviations and
contractions, I am really resentful about the introduction of
into adult reading material and all the font indicators which are of
absolutely no benefit to the braille reader.Of
Moan! Moan! Moan!
Alison
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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
Dave Sheridanconsidering
Sent: 24 July 2015 19:07
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: braille changes petition
Hi Peter and all
Firstly Peter, dismissing the UEB code as rubbish without
the reasoning behind its implementation is rash and unfair.Regarding
consultation, all I can say is that as I was in receipt of onebraille
publication at the time people were surveyed I received my copy andable
was
to participate. I can only guess that those braille readersreceiving
braille books from RNIBs library will also have received the surveyanother
document. Add to this word of mouth from one braille reader to
I suspect opportunity to participate in the survey was there for athose
significant number of braille users. I am in full agreement with
who have expressed the unnecessary use of elements of UEB where this
is not needed and George is absolutely correct that there needs tobe
clear guidance to transcribers regarding the application of the code
accordingto
the text required to be brailled. So rather than be critical of UEB
let's embrace it but work together so that it better serves the need
of the recipients by letting transcribers know about elements of the
braille copy that isn't fit for purpose.wrote:
All the best from Dave
Sent from my iPhone
On 24 Jul 2015, at 11:53, Peter Beasley <pjbeasley23@xxxxxxxxx>
to
I wonder exactly how many Braille readers were involved in the
decision
change to this rubbish Braille code? I don't read much braille these
days apart from my bank statements, and , fortunately, they arestill
producedin
standard english Braille.to
-----Original Message----- From: Clive.Lever@xxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 11:05 AM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: braille changes petition
Hello all,
Though I'm not wholly against the UEB, I do think publishers need
decide when they give the full works, such as the braille simbolsfor
italics, underline, and when this would serve no other purpose thanto
the reader down. If I'm studying, and need to know how to present mywritten
work, I would want the whole code, but why do I need to be botheredthe
with
splurge of dots around every other word when I'm reading a biography
of my favourite singer or cricketer? I also wonder how easy it isfor
people to get their heads round excessively dotty Braille when, say,
the sensitivity in their fingers is limited because of diabetes?high-handed
free-form text slots, but surveys often don't include those.
These are the sort of things one sometimes wishes one could say in
Of CJ &AA MAY
Best,
Clive
Best,
Clive
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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
Sent: 24 July 2015 10:17
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: braille changes petition
I don't like the changes and feel quite annoyed about the
wayin which they have been introduced but I'm not going to take part in
this petition because I feel it is too late. I do in actual fact see
the reason behind many of the changes and although I might not like
them, I do accept that in time I will get used to them but I think a
more relevant petition might be to braille publishers for them touse
common sense in that Idon't
want my publications full of italics, boldfacing and other symbols
which just slow down my reading speed.
I also would prefer my material non-capitalised but I feel thisis just spitting in the wind - the decision has been made and I fear
petition
wewill
just have to learn to live with it.
AlisonOf Tony Sweeney
my way
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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
Sent: 24 July 2015 10:08they are trying to develop, or for thesis particularly for the blind
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: braille changes petition
It's a bit like students and the like looking for feedback on IT
projects
inmind
and you never never hear any outcome afterwards.patience!
We always like to assist but boy there is a limit to one's
senderOn 24/07/2015 10:00, Carol.Pearson29@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Redacted
carol.pearson29@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx for DMARC) wrote:
Derek,
Thanks for this, but we now refuse any petitions because then you
get bombarded with so many messages afterwards. It really got so
sickening and took me some while on occasions to fill them in.
It's a shame really, but there you are, we all have to live within
Provideour means.
Carol P
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To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 8:26 PM
Subject: [access-uk] braille changes petition
I thought Braille readers may be interested to take look here:
http://chn.ge/1GD0QEv
It's a petition.
"Rnib: Offer your publications in SEB as well as UEB either
indefinitely or for a grace period.
Offer free UEB conversion courses to long-term Braillists
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