Hi Peter and all
Firstly Peter, dismissing the UEB code as rubbish without considering the
reasoning behind its implementation is rash and unfair. Regarding consultation,
all I can say is that as I was in receipt of one braille publication at the
time people were surveyed I received my copy and was able to participate. I can
only guess that those braille readers receiving braille books from RNIBs
library will also have received the survey document. Add to this word of mouth
from one braille reader to another then I suspect opportunity to participate in
the survey was there for a significant number of braille users. I am in full
agreement with those who have expressed the unnecessary use of elements of UEB
where this is not needed and George is absolutely correct that there needs to
be clear guidance to transcribers regarding the application of the code
according to the text required to be brailled. So rather than be critical of
UEB let's embrace it but work together so that it better serves the need of the
recipients by letting transcribers know about elements of the braille copy that
isn't fit for purpose.
All the best from Dave
Sent from my iPhone
On 24 Jul 2015, at 11:53, Peter Beasley <pjbeasley23@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:-
I wonder exactly how many Braille readers were involved in the decision to
change to this rubbish Braille code? I don't read much braille these days
apart from my bank statements, and , fortunately, they are still produced in
standard english Braille.
-----Original Message----- From: Clive.Lever@xxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 11:05 AM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: braille changes petition
Hello all,
Though I'm not wholly against the UEB, I do think publishers need to decide
when they give the full works, such as the braille simbols for bold, italics,
underline, and when this would serve no other purpose than to slow the reader
down. If I'm studying, and need to know how to present my written work, I
would want the whole code, but why do I need to be bothered with the splurge
of dots around every other word when I'm reading a biography of my favourite
singer or cricketer? I also wonder how easy it is for people to get their
heads round excessively dotty Braille when, say, the sensitivity in their
fingers is limited because of diabetes?
These are the sort of things one sometimes wishes one could say in free-form
text slots, but surveys often don't include those.
Best,
Clive
Best,
Clive
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
CJ &AA MAY
Sent: 24 July 2015 10:17
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: braille changes petition
I don't like the changes and feel quite annoyed about the high-handed way in
which they have been introduced but I'm not going to take part in this
petition because I feel it is too late. I do in actual fact see the reason
behind many of the changes and although I might not like them, I do accept
that in time I will get used to them but I think a more relevant petition
might be to braille publishers for them to use common sense in that I don't
want my publications full of italics, boldfacing and other symbols which just
slow down my reading speed.
I also would prefer my material non-capitalised but I feel this petition is
just spitting in the wind - the decision has been made and I fear we will
just have to learn to live with it.
Alison
my way
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Tony Sweeney
Sent: 24 July 2015 10:08
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: braille changes petition
It's a bit like students and the like looking for feedback on IT projects
they are trying to develop, or for thesis particularly for the blind in mind
and you never never hear any outcome afterwards.
We always like to assist but boy there is a limit to one's patience!
On 24/07/2015 10:00, Carol.Pearson29@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Redacted sender
carol.pearson29@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx for DMARC) wrote:
Derek,
Thanks for this, but we now refuse any petitions because then you get
bombarded with so many messages afterwards. It really got so
sickening and took me some while on occasions to fill them in.
It's a shame really, but there you are, we all have to live within our
means.
Carol P
----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Hornby"
<derek.hornby_uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 8:26 PM
Subject: [access-uk] braille changes petition
I thought Braille readers may be interested to take look here:
http://chn.ge/1GD0QEv
It's a petition.
"Rnib: Offer your publications in SEB as well as UEB either
indefinitely or for a grace period.
Offer free UEB conversion courses to long-term Braillists Provide
better learning resources to support conversion from SEB to UEB"
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