Hi,
I imagine it might have been one of those books where you get the print page
numbers on a separate line smack in the middle of a braille Page. I've seen
books where you get both print and braille contents, but thankfully never one
with only a contents list based on print page numbers.
Ian, as you will know it's the sort of approach you get when people try to go
for equality without diversity - a naïve assumption that it's fair because
everybody gets the same thing, even if it's great for some and it grates on
others.
Best,
Clive
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George Bell
Sent: 24 July 2015 13:50
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Hi Ian,
I would really love to know how this decision was made?
I shall ask around and also see perhaps if UKAAF have any advice here.
George
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Sent: 24 July 2015 13:42
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Hi George, this was a commercially produced book by one of the UK’s primary
Braille providers. I remember the decision appeared to have been taken to
include print page numbers in Braille books, supposedly in the name of equality
of access. but they then took it one step further and referred only to the
print pages in the list of contents. So actually it was proactive rather than
laziness. Wrong-headed nonetheless though.
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Hi Ian,
That is just plain bad transcription, laziness, or both.
If the book was specifically for one individual, it's worth calling them to
ask.
If it is say a popular book in general publication and being transcribed for
unknown braille users, there is a possibility that someone sighted might say,
"It's on page so and so", then we would do the Table of Contents with braille
page numbers, but use the print Page indicator top left - with the braille
page number in the customary position, top right.
It really is not a difficult or time consuming task if the transcriber has
the correct tools.
George
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Sent: 24 July 2015 11:40
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The issue of producers’ common sense approach is crucial. There are, a
George and clive have said examples of times when people need full access and
explanation of sighted text which has been rendered into Braille. But we all
know of times when this approach has gone too far. I still have a Braille
cookery book where the page numbers given in the contents relate to the print
pages. Taking things that far is just crackers.
