[access-uk] Re: Samsung Galaxy or I-Phone 5
- From: "Hussein Patwa" <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 04:40:09 +0200
Hi there,
Looks like we both have things we can still learn:
I've been looking into this and whereas you can disable TalkBack from the
notification menu (hard to miss that one as it's right in front as you
pull it up lol), locking the phone does nothing on my S4. I found some bug
reports on the TalkBack bug tracker about this issue so it seems to be a
known problem. However, an interesting comment I found when looking
through some developer stuff was that if you enable the Accessibility
Shortcut under Settings > My Device > Accessibility, it not only enables
the Accessibility option under the Power button menu, but also allows you
to hold in the power button and hold with two fingers which will start
TalkBack from a disabled state, just as one did when starting to use the
phone for the first time. Nice that, and not something mentioned within
the Settings app so perhaps not an addition that's widely known.
Enjoy and keep tinkering!
Hussein.
Sent from my Galaxy S4.
> Hi,
>
> Again, you are partially incorrect. You can suspend Talkbakc with a
> gesture, up and right to get to teh global context menu and disable it.
> To
> bring it back, simply lock your phone.
>
> Time for some Android updates for you I think <Smile>.
>
> All the best
>
> Steve
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Hussein Patwa
> Sent: 16 June 2013 14:46
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Samsung Galaxy or I-Phone 5
>
> Hello there,
>
> I trust this message finds you well and that you have had a pleasant
> weekend.
>
> Thank you very much for your comment. I think perhaps there is a
> misunderstanding in the interpretation of the term I used, and I of course
> apologise for any confusion this may have caused.
>
> You are of course correct in that TalkBack is built into the android
> operating system. What I meant by add-on (and again I apologise if I used
> a
> confusing term), is deaf structurally Voiceover on iOS has deeper hooks
> into
> the operating system and in all areas compared to TalkBack on Android.
> This
> is why there are few if any Apple-developed areas of the operating system
> that are inaccessible (maps is the only one that currently springs to mind
> and even then inaccessibility is partial). On the other hand, in terms of
> code TalkBack does not have the same level of hooks into all parts of the
> operating system which is why accessibility using it is patchy. This is
> also why, for example, you cannot disable TalkBack and re-enable it with a
> gesture as you can with Voiceover, and why therefore sighted assistance is
> necessary to re-enable TalkBack or accessibility once it has been
> disabled.
> The latter is of course an important consideration for anyone using
> android
> who does not have sighted support (unless of course you are never going to
> turn off accessibility or prefer to use the device as-is without
> tinkering).
>
> Having said that, let us not cause unnecessary concern in that even though
> I
> refer to TalkBack as an add-on, it is a work in progress and accessibility
> will only improve as the android operating system develops, and I would
> certainly expect major improvements in android 5 when it is released later
> this year.
>
> I hope this clarifies any misunderstanding. Remember that when discussing
> technology different people do use different terms even though they intend
> the same meaning. This is a fact of life in the multilingual nature of
> our
> world.
>
> All the best for now and take care.
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
> Sent: 16 June 2013 10:01
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Samsung Galaxy or I-Phone 5
>
> Hi,
>
> For someone who is a supposed expert to say that accessibility is an
> add-on
> in the Galaxy S4 then your expertise needs a little updating.
>
> Talkback is built in and can easily be switched on in
> Settings/Accessibility. How is this an add-on? You don't download it, it
> is just there.
>
> All the best
>
> Steve
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Hussein Patwa
> Sent: 15 June 2013 23:06
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Samsung Galaxy or I-Phone 5
>
> Hi there,
>
> Firstly, sorry for the late reply, but I'm just catching up with mails
> from
> the list.
>
> Having used both these phones, and knowing that accessibility is often a
> major source of debate, I'll just speak from my own experience, but also
> bear in mind I'd consider myself an expert user.
>
> The iPhone is still the best phone for accessibility including for blind
> users when compared to the Samsung. This is primarily due to the fact
> that
> accessibility is built into the phone's operating system from the ground
> up.
> With the Samsung, it's an add-on, and although very good it does have some
> holes. the iPhone could be more expensive depending on how and where you
> buy it, but I think for someone new to touch screens and who is totally
> blind it's the better option.
>
> I myself have now sold my iPhone and use the Samsung Galaxy S4 full time.
> I
> have done extensive testing in 'blind mode' - that is, putting a black
> cover
> over the screen to simulate having no sight, and I'm impressed. Then
> again,
> as I said I consider myself an expert user so can work things out if I
> were
> to get stuck.
>
> Hope this helps, and do feel free to ask more questions re: the Galaxy if
> you wish.
>
> All the best for now and take care.
>
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>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> On Behalf Of John Farley
> Sent: 24 May 2013 18:42
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Samsung Galaxy or I-Phone 5
>
> Hello list,
>
> I must apologise in advance, I have seen many subject lines similar to
> mine
> here, but at the time I had no interest in changing my phone and so did
> not
> follow those threads.
>
> I currently use a Nokia C5, which has done me proud and I have really
> liked
> it. However, I have now been told that the screen has just about had it
> and
> I feel that it should be replaced.
>
> Yes, I am aware that these can still be purchased and then TALKS can be
> transferred across to it, which would cost something over £210. I also
> feel
> that would be continuing on a dead line of technology and it might be
> better
> to move to something more modern, although at a greater price.
>
> It seems clear that the two outstanding competing offers at the moment are
> the Samsung Galaxy S4 and the I-Phone 5.
>
> I am a little uncomfortable about using a touch phone, is this really as
> easy as it may appear from the e-mails on this list?
>
> From a blind person's perspective, which is the better of the two to go
> for?
>
> I cannot help here too much with my requirement as I currently do not have
> a
> smart phone and therefore do not know which features I would want to use.
>
> Clearly, I want to make phone calls and handle text messages.
> Additionally it might be good to have proper access to the internet etc.
> I do not know if I would want to go as far as e=-mails, simply due to the
> number I get daily from the various lists I am a member of which currently
> get filtered off into various folders in Outlook on my PC.
>
> Any personal experience in using such phones would be a good help for me
> in
> deciding which way to go.
>
> Many thanks in advance.
>
> Regards, John.
>
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