In a message dated 11/12/2004 3:34:30 PM Central Standard Time, chizotz@xxxxxxxxx writes: You don't mention how the VCR is hooked up to the TV. You can't hook the DVD player up in such a way that the VCR could conceivable record from it; there is hardware copy protection built into the DVD player that will prevent that from working, and the result is snow. In other words, you can't hook a DVD and VCR up in the same way you used to be able to hook up two VCR units, it simply won't work. Ron, How about if an amp is used as a device manager? Plug tv, vcr and dvd into the amp. Would the dvd still be able to detect that a vcr is somewhere in the link, since they are now separated from each other? Dale For a web-based membership management utility and information on list policies, please see http://nibec.com/24hoursupport/ To unsubscribe, send a blank email to 24hoursupport-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe" (without quotes) in the subject.