(VICT) Re: questions from a friend about her guide dog
- From: "DIANNE B. PHELPS AND PRIMROSE" <d.bphelps@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:27:14 -0800
Thank you, Christy, You do know that I am a very old dog, trying to learn
new tricks. I appreciate the wisdom with which tyou answered my questions.
Respectfully,
Dianne, Hibiscus, and Primrose
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christy Hill" <care4k9@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 12:30 PM
Subject: (VICT) Re: questions from a friend about her guide dog
>> I have a guide who is now retired but definitely trained
>> under older methods who doesn't respond all that accurate to
>> clicker training and a current working guide who has been
>> trained with the clicker and food reinforcement.
>
> Any dog can learn to be conditioned. That is what clicker training
> is, based
> on classical conditioning. The three formulas that have to fit into place
> are:
>
> 1. Timing
> 2. Rate of Reinforcement
> 3. Criteria
>
> Any training problem is solved by the formula above. Yes, it does
> take a
> little longer for a dog to learn that they can be shaped, but I would have
> to see how
> you are training your dog to see what three above that needs to change.
> Many dogs who
> are cross over dogs need a lot more reinforcements. Most dog trainers,
> even some
> clicker trainers are stingy in their reinforcements. I learned this when I
> was
> fortunate to attend chicken camp with Bob Bailey. I trained a chicken
> through an
> obstacle course and learned the real meaning of reinforcements and how to
> get the
> behaviors I want.
>
> Now criteria is also important. Work on one thing at a time.
> Realize that
> a cross over dog has to gradually learn how to learn. They need to learn
> that it is
> ok to do something and explore. You do this by a lot of clicks and
> reinforcements
> sooner than you would a clicker savvy dog. I had a pup that I grained form
> clicker
> and a cross over dog, eventually he cross over dog, with time and patience
> with me
> and learning how to click with chickens, that I got my cross over dog to
> shape a lot
> nicer than my pup that had been clicked since puppy hood.
>
> I say this very tongue and cheek, but it was a lesson I had to
> learn
> myself, it is a trainer's issue, not the subject issue. All subjects can
> learn
> reinforcements and learn to be conditioned to do a behavior. It is the
> trainer that
> needs to learn their basics and to reach that dog. Remember, you go in
> steps at the
> dog's pace, not your pace. Learn your student well and know when to go to
> the next
> criteria and keep those rapid reinforcements going.
>
> Christy
>
>
>
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