(VICT) Re: questions from a friend about her guide dog
- From: "DIANNE B. PHELPS AND PRIMROSE" <d.bphelps@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:24:25 -0800
Kitty,
That is good to hear, and having said what I said, there are ways in which I
have started the food reinforcement with Primrose concerning certain
behaviors. Some of her response now, however, is spirited on by Hibiscus who
is terrifically obedient and respoinds to what you tell her immediately.
This makes for a kind of competition between them which has been good.
Dianne, Hibiscus, and Primrose
----- Original Message -----
From: "kitty hevener" <khevener@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 12:37 PM
Subject: (VICT) Re: questions from a friend about her guide dog
> Hi Everyone, Dianne, just to comment on yhour question, my dog was trained
> with the traditional method of training. I did not like the leash
> corrections and they did not work for me. So, enter clicker training. We
> definitely went through a transition period where I don't think sunstar
> quite got it. I think she felt she was okay till she got a leash
> correction. However, being the lab that she is, food, like money, talks
> smile!!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "DIANNE B. PHELPS AND PRIMROSE" <d.bphelps@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 12:21 PM
> Subject: (VICT) Re: questions from a friend about her guide dog
>
>
> I am wondering, however, how taking a dog who is used to the old
> techniques
> and trying to acquire a positive outcome with the new clicker techniques
> can be effective toward the outcome desired?
>
> I have a guide who is now retired but definitely trained under older
> methods
> who doesn't respond all that accurate to clicker training and a current
> working guide who has been trained with the clicker and food
> reinforcement.
> For me, handling these two dogs still remains slightly different.
>
> I don't write too often, but do follow this list seriously to learn from
> it.
>
> Dianne, Hibiscus, and Primrose
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mona Ramouni" <mramouni@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 4:22 PM
> Subject: (VICT) Re: questions from a friend about her guide dog
>
>
>> Thanks so much, Karyn. These are all great suggestions, and I appreciate
>> the
>> help.
>> Cynthia doesn't have too long to work with Peggy, but if she makes enough
>> progress, she intends to keep Peggy instead of getting another dog. Her
>> dog
>> is such a good girl but full of energy and always wants to get home, I
>> think.
>> The hardest part is getting Cynthia to get into the clicker training. I'm
>> so
>> new to this that I don't know if I'm doing a good job explaining what
>> Cynthia should do, and because she's had dogs for 28 years and has used
>> the
>> same methods of correction for that long, she's finding it hard to
>> change.
>> While I can understand that and sympathize with that, I really just want
>> to
>> say, "Don't yank on the dog. It hurts!" She says it doesn't, that labs
>> have
>> "asteel necks," and I disagree, but because I've never had a dog, my
>> disagreement doesn't mean as much.
>> So, what I'm really trying to do is give Cynthia some other ideas. She's
>> open to them, but only to a certain extent. One of the things she
>> believes
>> is that the clicker training would confuse the dog. I, for one, think
>> that's
>> not giving the dog enough credit.
>> Anyway, I really appreciate your suggestions and am hoping Cynthia is
>> open
>> and invested enough to try them. I'll forward this email to her, but if
>> you
>> could email her at
>> cvegil01@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> I'd be grateful. When she sees so many other people trying this kind of
>> training, she might try harder.
>> Take care.
>> Mona
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Karyn and Thane" <bcpaws4me@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: "Vi-clicker" <vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 12:55 PM
>> Subject: (VICT) Re: questions from a friend about her guide dog
>>
>>
>>> This is something I have dealt with in Thane. I had it to an extent in
>>> Met
>>> when he was younger too. With Thane it is not just about going home but
>>> about each place I tell him we are going. His primary issue however had
>>> to
>>> do with not getting enough practice when the weather changed.
>>> I do a few different things with Thane when it arises now which is not
>>> too
>>> often any more.
>>> 1) I have something that I call *square* it is where I reverse our
>>> direction
>>> for about two sidewalk portions and walk a small square. Often times
>>> this
>>> ends the hard pull and we are off.
>>>
>>> 2) is the same as what Sandy already recommended
>>>
>>> 3) is a word we began using. It is *self-correct* meaning correct
>>> yourself.
>>> This is what I do most of the time now- just a simple phrase that lets
>>> him
>>> know I need him to ease up so I don't lose my grip. In the beginning I
>>> lost
>>> my grip at times and as a result he would literally be correcting
>>> himself
>>> by
>>> the pull on the lead. I hated that happening as I wanted my dog clicker
>>> trained not yank trained Grin. So I began to use that term for this.
>>> Maybe
>>> it had a bad start but its terminology prevents me from losing my grip
>>> and
>>> thus prevents the pull on the lead before he can stop for me to get the
>>> handle again. I use this on occasion still if we have not been out a
>>> lot.
>>> I
>>> also find he is more apt to pull if he has not got enough work in. He
>>> works
>>> so much more smoothly on days when he has helped me go to town for
>>> errands.
>>> Keep in mind the third option happened in earlier training that he would
>>> correct himself like that. I worked hard to come up with a way to
>>> prevent
>>> that since my poor grip was not really a preventable problem.
>>> It was more like months before we made a real consistent impact on this,
>>> but
>>> with an already trained guide who just needs the rules redefined, it may
>>> go
>>> more quickly with consistancy.
>>>
>>> Karyn and Thane
>>>
>>>
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