[THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS
- From: "Ron Oglesby" <roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 13:59:45 -0600
I didn't type back then (and I really don't think I type now come to
think about it).=20
But I could put a ton of rounds down range very accurately. Nice skill
to have out there. Doesn't pay well though.
Ron Oglesby
Senior Technical Architect
Microsoft MVP, Windows Server=20
=20
RapidApp, Chicago
Office 312.372.7188
Mobile 815.325.7618
email roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx
=20
-----Original Message-----
From: Timothy Mangan [mailto:tmangan@xxxxxxxxxxxx]=20
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 1:44 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS
Ahhh... That must be where you learned to type!
-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
Of Ron Oglesby
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 2:29 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS
You know. I was in the gulf in '91 for the first foray into the =
sand.=3D20
Now I just think I could be manning a check point or pulling duty on
some perimeter security detail and my all of the sudden my house and the
crappy commute, and long hours etc etc all become very nice =
bonuses.=3D20
Ron Oglesby
Senior Technical Architect
Microsoft MVP, Windows Server=3D20
=3D20
RapidApp, Chicago
Office 312.372.7188
Mobile 815.325.7618
email roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx
=3D20
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Durbin [mailto:techlists@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D20
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 1:18 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS
I suppose the only way to feel better about it is to imagine somewhere
that's worse! =3D20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=3D20
> [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Claudio Rodrigues
> Sent: Friday, 2 April 2004 7:06 a.m.
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS
>=3D20
> - We have 15% GST.
> - Winter means -40oC.
> - GPRS unlimited costs you US$ 90.00 per month.
> - More than 1/2 of the country is a fridge.
> - We are not close to Australia.
> - Everything you can imagine costs 25 to 40% more if you buy=3D20
> it in a place 2 hours drive from here (means, just across the=3D20
> border) with no reasonable explanation.
> - We need to deal with 2 official, completely different, languages.
> - People with US$ 1 Million to invest in the country, after=3D20
> applying for a Visa at Immigration usually wait 14-18 months;=3D20
> - Refugees that will live off the welfare system for years=3D20
> can apply and get a Visa in 3-6 months.
>=3D20
> I wish I could move to NZ.
>=3D20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Durbin [mailto:techlists@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D3D20
> Sent: April 1, 2004 1:46 PM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS
>=3D20
>=3D20
> $1750 NZD =3D3D3D3D 630 pounds. In the US, that printer is under=3D20
> $600. New =3D3D =3D3D3D Zealand is an expensive place to buy=3D20
> anything. For reasons, I suppose you can =3D3D =3D3D3D start with =
the=3D20
> 12 1/2 percent tax (GST) on any goods and services that are =3D3D3D =
sold
> (translation: everything). $200 of that price is GST. If you=3D20
> want to =3D3D3D really cringe, I pay 50 cents per minute to talk=3D20
> on a cell phone (to anywhere =3D3D =3D3D3D in the country) or on =
a=3D20
> land line to anywhere other than 'local'. I could =3D3D =3D3D3D go =
on=3D20
> and on. The cost of living here will eventually drive me back=3D20
> to the =3D3D3D U.S.
> The odd part is that most kiwis don't seem to know that it's=3D20
> expensive =3D3D =3D3D3D here.
>=3D20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=3D3D3D20
> > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Angus Macdonald
> > Sent: Friday, 2 April 2004 12:42 a.m.
> > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare=3D20
> TS =3D3D3D20 =3D20
> >$1750???? What does that translate to as =3D3D3DA3 sterling? We=3D20
> pay=3D3D3D20 =3D20
> >=3D3D3DA3350 for the 1300N -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jeff Durbin [mailto:techlists@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: 01 April 2004 02:33
> > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS =3D
=3D3D3D20=3D20
> >=3D3D3D20 The customer in question has a few locations where =
they=3D20
> >have=3D3D3D20 low volume printing, but need it to not rely on a =
PC=3D20
> >being=3D3D3D20 turned on for it to print, so we're looking for=3D20
> >something=3D3D3D20 cheap. The lowest end networked Laserjet here is =
=3D
the=3D20
> >1300N,=3D3D3D20 but it's $1750, which would be cost prohibitive =
for=3D20
> >this=3D3D3D20 customer. The Laserjet 1010 won't work because it's =
a=3D20
> >GDI=3D3D3D20 printer, but the
> > 1015 appears to support PCL5e for not much more money.
> >=3D3D3D20
> > JD
> >=3D3D3D20
> >=3D3D3D20
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mack, Rick
> > > Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2004 1:12 p.m.
> > > To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs=3D20
> Bare TS =3D3D3D20 =3D20
> > >Hi Jeff, It's easier. Don't have any smarts on the printer =
and=3D20
> > >do=3D3D3D20
> > EVERYTHING on=3D3D3D20
> > > the host computer. You're not talking printer drivers, you've got
> a=3D3D3D20
> > > full print engine with all the bells and whistles.
> > >=3D3D3D20
> > > This type of printer is no bargain in a networked=3D3D3D20
> > environment if you=3D3D3D20
> > > want more than 1 user sharing the printer. At the very least
> you'll=3D3D3D20
> > > need some form of universal printer driver.
> > >=3D3D3D20
> > > Spend a bit more. If it won't run off a JetDirect print server
> (eg=3D3D3D20
> > > native support of PCL and/or PS), it's not worth touching.
> > >=3D3D3D20
> > > Regards,
> > >=3D3D3D20
> > > Rick
> > >=3D3D3D20
> > > Ulrich Mack
> > > rmack@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Volante Systems
> > > 18 Heussler Terrace, Milton 4064
> > > Queensland Australia.=3D3D3D20
> > > tel +61 7 3246 7704
> > >=3D3D3D20
> > >=3D3D3D20
> > >=3D3D3D20
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jeff Durbin [mailto:techlists@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2004 11:00 AM
> > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs=3D20
> Bare TS =3D3D3D20=3D20
> > >=3D3D3D20 Here's a great example of why: I'm looking at a=3D20
> cheap HP=3D3D3D20
> > laser for a=3D3D3D20
> > > customer - the Laserjet 1010. Look at the system requirements:
> > >=3D3D3D20
> > > MIN SYS REQS: Operating system requirements as recommended by =
=3D3D
> the=3D3D3D20
> > > operating system vendor plus free hard disk space (140 MB for
> full=3D3D3D20
> > > installation, 10 MB for print drivers only); CD-ROM disk=3D3D3D20
> > drive; USB,=3D3D3D20
> > > dedicated IEEE-1284 compliant bi-directional parallel, or=3D3D3D20
=3D20
> > >ECP-compliant parallel port =3D3D3D20 140 MB for full=3D20
> installation and=3D20
> > >10MB just for drivers. Talk
> about=3D3D3D20
> > > bloatware. 140MB. How could you *possibly* use 140MB of disk
> space=3D3D3D20
> > > just to manage a printer?
> > >=3D3D3D20
> > >=3D3D3D20
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bill Beckett
> > > > Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2004 7:52 a.m.
> > > > To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> > > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare =
TS=3D20
> > > >=3D3D3D20 We have had so many problems with HP color =
printers=3D20
> > > >that=3D3D3D20
> > we made all=3D3D3D20
> > > > color HP's inaccessible from a Citrix box. HP has a =
long=3D3D3D20
> > way to go=3D3D3D20
> > > > with their drivers and compatibility with Citrix, no question.
> > > >=3D3D3D20
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Jim Kenzig http://thin.net [mailto:jimkenz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday March 31, 2004 2:57 PM
> > > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare =
TS=3D20
> > > >=3D3D3D20 =3D3D3D20 Don't know what world you are living in =
there =3D
Jeff=3D20
> > > >but=3D3D3D20
> > everytime we=3D3D3D20
> > > > get a new model HP printer here put on a workstation on=3D3D3D20
> > our network=3D3D3D20
> > > > it is a living hell. Citrix servers start blue=3D20
> screening and=3D3D3D20 =3D20
> > > >rebooting etc etc. All because of a printer. JK =3D3D3D20 =3D20
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=3D3D3D20
> > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
> > > > Behalf Of Jeff Stockard
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 2:31 PM
> > > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare =
TS=3D20
> > > >=3D3D3D20 =3D3D3D20 I haven't had a problem with an HP driver on =
=3D
Citrix=3D20
> > > >since =3D3D
> Carly=3D3D3D20
> > > > Fiorino took over. HP did a big press release about her, =3D3D
> which=3D3D3D20
> > > > included
> > > her e-mail
> > > > address. The address was posted on this list. Within=3D3D3D20
> > the week, she=3D3D3D20
> > > > had received hundreds of e-mails about HP drivers. Within 2
> > > months, I had
> > > > working HP drivers for any HP printer I had then or =
have=3D3D3D20
> > used since.=3D3D3D20
> > > > I still stay away from PCL drivers, because they are evil.
Jeff=3D20
> > > >=3D3D3D20 -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Shonk,=3D20
> Joe - Perot
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 2:15 PM
> > > > To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> > > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare =
TS=3D20
> > > >=3D3D3D20 You mean like HP, a multi-billion dollar=3D20
> international=3D3D3D20
> > company that=3D3D3D20
> > > > can't write print drivers?
> > > >=3D3D3D20
> > > > Joe
> > > >=3D3D3D20
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Jeff Durbin [mailto:techlists@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 12:08 PM
> > > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare =
TS=3D20
> > > >=3D3D3D20 =3D3D3D20 Can you even believe that an app vendor=3D20
> would tell you=3D20
> > > >that
> > > they don't
> > > > support their app on Citrix/TS? When I hear that (and I've
> > > heard it a
> > > > =3D3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D3D bunch of times over the years), it makes =
me =3D
feel =3D3D
> like =3D3D3D
> the=3D3D3D20
> > > > vendor is just =3D3D3D3D3D ignorant. How can you ignore =
a=3D3D3D20
> > technology that is=3D3D3D20
> > > > so widely used? Ensuring that an =3D3D3D3D3D app runs =3D
properly=3D3D3D20
> > under TS is=3D3D3D20
> > > > trivial. I hope
> > > the market's
> > > > natural selection process takes care of companies like =3D3D3D
> that.=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > >=3D3D3D20
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=3D3D3D3D3D20=3D3D3D20
> > > > >[mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Angus Macdonald
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2004 2:03 a.m.
> > > > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs
> > > Bare TS =3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > Not to the application, as far as I'm aware.
> > > > > You're lucky to get McKesson to support Citrix. The =
UK=3D3D3D20
> > branch=3D3D3D3D3D20 =3D3D3D20
> > > > >flatly refuses to have anything to do with TS or=3D20
> Citrix with us.
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: J H [mailto:jeffrey_hicks@xxxxxxxxx]
> > > > > Sent: 31 March 2004 14:53
> > > > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Subject: [THIN] Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS =3D
=3D3D3D
> =3D3D3D3D3D20=3D3D3D20
> > > > >=3D3D3D3D3D20 We have a vendor ( McKesson ) who is telling us =
=3D
=3D3D
> they=3D3D3D20
> > > > >will=3D3D3D3D3D20 support their application running in a=3D20
> Citrix=3D3D3D20=3D20
> > > > >environment but=3D3D3D3D3D20 will not support it in a =3D
bare=3D3D3D20
> > Win2k3 Terminal=3D3D3D20
> > > > >Server environment.
> > > > >=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > I know, I know, I should just keep my mouth shut and =3D3D
> I'll=3D3D3D3D3D20
> =3D3D3D
> =3D3D3D20
> > > > >finally get the Citrix manageability, client =
flexibility=3D3D3D20
> > and=3D3D3D3D3D20 =3D3D3D20
> > > > >maybe even the MSAM I dream about but money is tight =
for=3D3D3D20
> > this=3D3D3D3D3D20 =3D3D3D20
> > > > >hospital.
> > > > >=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > We serve up full desktops via Win2k3 TS, Session=3D3D3D20
> > Directory=3D3D3D3D3D20 =3D3D3D20
> > > > >with TS Profiles.
> > > > > At the point of the executable running on the server,=3D3D3D20
> > does=3D3D3D3D3D20 =3D3D3D20
> > > > >Citrix offer anything over and above Terminal Services?
> > > > >=3D3D3D3D3D20
> > > > > thanks,
> > > > > Jeff
> > > > > University of Colorado Hospital=3D3D3D3D3D20 =3D3D3D3D3D20
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