[THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS
- From: "Jeff Durbin" <techlists@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 07:17:34 +1200
I suppose the only way to feel better about it is to imagine somewhere
that's worse!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Claudio Rodrigues
> Sent: Friday, 2 April 2004 7:06 a.m.
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS
>
> - We have 15% GST.
> - Winter means -40oC.
> - GPRS unlimited costs you US$ 90.00 per month.
> - More than 1/2 of the country is a fridge.
> - We are not close to Australia.
> - Everything you can imagine costs 25 to 40% more if you buy
> it in a place 2 hours drive from here (means, just across the
> border) with no reasonable explanation.
> - We need to deal with 2 official, completely different, languages.
> - People with US$ 1 Million to invest in the country, after
> applying for a Visa at Immigration usually wait 14-18 months;
> - Refugees that will live off the welfare system for years
> can apply and get a Visa in 3-6 months.
>
> I wish I could move to NZ.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Durbin [mailto:techlists@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]=20
> Sent: April 1, 2004 1:46 PM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS
>
>
> $1750 NZD =3D3D 630 pounds. In the US, that printer is under
> $600. New = =3D Zealand is an expensive place to buy
> anything. For reasons, I suppose you can = =3D start with the
> 12 1/2 percent tax (GST) on any goods and services that are =3D sold
> (translation: everything). $200 of that price is GST. If you
> want to =3D really cringe, I pay 50 cents per minute to talk
> on a cell phone (to anywhere = =3D in the country) or on a
> land line to anywhere other than 'local'. I could = =3D go on
> and on. The cost of living here will eventually drive me back
> to the =3D U.S.
> The odd part is that most kiwis don't seem to know that it's
> expensive = =3D here.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=3D20
> > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Angus Macdonald
> > Sent: Friday, 2 April 2004 12:42 a.m.
> > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare
> TS =3D20
> >$1750???? What does that translate to as =3DA3 sterling? We
> pay=3D20
> >=3DA3350 for the 1300N -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jeff Durbin [mailto:techlists@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: 01 April 2004 02:33
> > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS =3D20
> >=3D20 The customer in question has a few locations where they
> >have=3D20 low volume printing, but need it to not rely on a PC
> >being=3D20 turned on for it to print, so we're looking for
> >something=3D20 cheap. The lowest end networked Laserjet here is the
> >1300N,=3D20 but it's $1750, which would be cost prohibitive for
> >this=3D20 customer. The Laserjet 1010 won't work because it's a
> >GDI=3D20 printer, but the
> > 1015 appears to support PCL5e for not much more money.
> >=3D20
> > JD
> >=3D20
> >=3D20
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mack, Rick
> > > Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2004 1:12 p.m.
> > > To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs
> Bare TS =3D20
> > >Hi Jeff, It's easier. Don't have any smarts on the printer and
> > >do=3D20
> > EVERYTHING on=3D20
> > > the host computer. You're not talking printer drivers, you've got
> a=3D20
> > > full print engine with all the bells and whistles.
> > >=3D20
> > > This type of printer is no bargain in a networked=3D20
> > environment if you=3D20
> > > want more than 1 user sharing the printer. At the very least
> you'll=3D20
> > > need some form of universal printer driver.
> > >=3D20
> > > Spend a bit more. If it won't run off a JetDirect print server
> (eg=3D20
> > > native support of PCL and/or PS), it's not worth touching.
> > >=3D20
> > > Regards,
> > >=3D20
> > > Rick
> > >=3D20
> > > Ulrich Mack
> > > rmack@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Volante Systems
> > > 18 Heussler Terrace, Milton 4064
> > > Queensland Australia.=3D20
> > > tel +61 7 3246 7704
> > >=3D20
> > >=3D20
> > >=3D20
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jeff Durbin [mailto:techlists@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2004 11:00 AM
> > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs
> Bare TS =3D20
> > >=3D20 Here's a great example of why: I'm looking at a
> cheap HP=3D20
> > laser for a=3D20
> > > customer - the Laserjet 1010. Look at the system requirements:
> > >=3D20
> > > MIN SYS REQS: Operating system requirements as recommended by =
> the=3D20
> > > operating system vendor plus free hard disk space (140 MB for
> full=3D20
> > > installation, 10 MB for print drivers only); CD-ROM disk=3D20
> > drive; USB,=3D20
> > > dedicated IEEE-1284 compliant bi-directional parallel, or=3D20
> > >ECP-compliant parallel port =3D20 140 MB for full
> installation and
> > >10MB just for drivers. Talk
> about=3D20
> > > bloatware. 140MB. How could you *possibly* use 140MB of disk
> space=3D20
> > > just to manage a printer?
> > >=3D20
> > >=3D20
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bill Beckett
> > > > Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2004 7:52 a.m.
> > > > To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> > > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS
> > > >=3D20 We have had so many problems with HP color printers
> > > >that=3D20
> > we made all=3D20
> > > > color HP's inaccessible from a Citrix box. HP has a long=3D20
> > way to go=3D20
> > > > with their drivers and compatibility with Citrix, no question.
> > > >=3D20
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Jim Kenzig http://thin.net [mailto:jimkenz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday March 31, 2004 2:57 PM
> > > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS
> > > >=3D20 =3D20 Don't know what world you are living in there Jeff
> > > >but=3D20
> > everytime we=3D20
> > > > get a new model HP printer here put on a workstation on=3D20
> > our network=3D20
> > > > it is a living hell. Citrix servers start blue
> screening and=3D20
> > > >rebooting etc etc. All because of a printer. JK =3D20
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=3D20
> > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
> > > > Behalf Of Jeff Stockard
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 2:31 PM
> > > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS
> > > >=3D20 =3D20 I haven't had a problem with an HP driver on Citrix
> > > >since =
> Carly=3D20
> > > > Fiorino took over. HP did a big press release about her, =
> which=3D20
> > > > included
> > > her e-mail
> > > > address. The address was posted on this list. Within=3D20
> > the week, she=3D20
> > > > had received hundreds of e-mails about HP drivers. Within 2
> > > months, I had
> > > > working HP drivers for any HP printer I had then or have=3D20
> > used since.=3D20
> > > > I still stay away from PCL drivers, because they are evil. Jeff
> > > >=3D20 -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Shonk,
> Joe - Perot
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 2:15 PM
> > > > To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> > > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS
> > > >=3D20 You mean like HP, a multi-billion dollar
> international=3D20
> > company that=3D20
> > > > can't write print drivers?
> > > >=3D20
> > > > Joe
> > > >=3D20
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Jeff Durbin [mailto:techlists@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 12:08 PM
> > > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS
> > > >=3D20 =3D20 Can you even believe that an app vendor
> would tell you
> > > >that
> > > they don't
> > > > support their app on Citrix/TS? When I hear that (and I've
> > > heard it a
> > > > =3D3D =3D3D3D bunch of times over the years), it makes me feel =
> like =3D
> the=3D20
> > > > vendor is just =3D3D3D ignorant. How can you ignore a=3D20
> > technology that is=3D20
> > > > so widely used? Ensuring that an =3D3D3D app runs properly=3D20
> > under TS is=3D20
> > > > trivial. I hope
> > > the market's
> > > > natural selection process takes care of companies like =3D
> that.=3D3D3D20
> > > >=3D20
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=3D3D3D20=3D20
> > > > >[mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Angus Macdonald
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2004 2:03 a.m.
> > > > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs
> > > Bare TS =3D3D3D20
> > > > > Not to the application, as far as I'm aware.
> > > > > You're lucky to get McKesson to support Citrix. The UK=3D20
> > branch=3D3D3D20 =3D20
> > > > >flatly refuses to have anything to do with TS or
> Citrix with us.
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: J H [mailto:jeffrey_hicks@xxxxxxxxx]
> > > > > Sent: 31 March 2004 14:53
> > > > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Subject: [THIN] Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS =3D
> =3D3D3D20=3D20
> > > > >=3D3D3D20 We have a vendor ( McKesson ) who is telling us =
> they=3D20
> > > > >will=3D3D3D20 support their application running in a
> Citrix=3D20
> > > > >environment but=3D3D3D20 will not support it in a bare=3D20
> > Win2k3 Terminal=3D20
> > > > >Server environment.
> > > > >=3D3D3D20
> > > > > I know, I know, I should just keep my mouth shut and =
> I'll=3D3D3D20
> =3D
> =3D20
> > > > >finally get the Citrix manageability, client flexibility=3D20
> > and=3D3D3D20 =3D20
> > > > >maybe even the MSAM I dream about but money is tight for=3D20
> > this=3D3D3D20 =3D20
> > > > >hospital.
> > > > >=3D3D3D20
> > > > > We serve up full desktops via Win2k3 TS, Session=3D20
> > Directory=3D3D3D20 =3D20
> > > > >with TS Profiles.
> > > > > At the point of the executable running on the server,=3D20
> > does=3D3D3D20 =3D20
> > > > >Citrix offer anything over and above Terminal Services?
> > > > >=3D3D3D20
> > > > > thanks,
> > > > > Jeff
> > > > > University of Colorado Hospital=3D3D3D20 =3D3D3D20
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