[THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS
- From: Angus Macdonald <Angus.Macdonald@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 13:41:54 +0100
$1750???? What does that translate to as £ sterling? We pay £350 for the
1300N
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Durbin [mailto:techlists@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 01 April 2004 02:33
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS
The customer in question has a few locations where they have low volume
printing, but need it to not rely on a PC being turned on for it to print,
so we're looking for something cheap. The lowest end networked Laserjet here
is the 1300N, but it's $1750, which would be cost prohibitive for this
customer. The Laserjet 1010 won't work because it's a GDI printer, but the
1015 appears to support PCL5e for not much more money.
JD
> -----Original Message-----
> From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mack, Rick
> Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2004 1:12 p.m.
> To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS
>
> Hi Jeff,
> It's easier. Don't have any smarts on the printer and do
> EVERYTHING on the host computer. You're not talking printer
> drivers, you've got a full print engine with all the bells
> and whistles.
>
> This type of printer is no bargain in a networked environment
> if you want more than 1 user sharing the printer. At the very
> least you'll need some form of universal printer driver.
>
> Spend a bit more. If it won't run off a JetDirect print
> server (eg native support of PCL and/or PS), it's not worth touching.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rick
>
> Ulrich Mack
> rmack@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Volante Systems
> 18 Heussler Terrace, Milton 4064
> Queensland Australia.
> tel +61 7 3246 7704
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Durbin [mailto:techlists@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2004 11:00 AM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS
>
>
> Here's a great example of why: I'm looking at a cheap HP laser for a
> customer - the Laserjet 1010. Look at the system requirements:
>
> MIN SYS REQS: Operating system requirements as recommended by
> the operating
> system vendor plus free hard disk space (140 MB for full
> installation, 10 MB for print drivers only); CD-ROM disk
> drive; USB, dedicated IEEE-1284 compliant bi-directional parallel, or
> ECP-compliant parallel port
>
> 140 MB for full installation and 10MB just for drivers. Talk about
> bloatware. 140MB. How could you *possibly* use 140MB of disk
> space just to
> manage a printer?
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bill Beckett
> > Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2004 7:52 a.m.
> > To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS
> >
> > We have had so many problems with HP color printers that we
> > made all color HP's inaccessible from a Citrix box. HP has a
> > long way to go with their drivers and compatibility with
> > Citrix, no question.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jim Kenzig http://thin.net [mailto:jimkenz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Wednesday March 31, 2004 2:57 PM
> > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS
> >
> >
> > Don't know what world you are living in there Jeff but
> > everytime we get a
> > new model HP printer here put on a workstation on our network
> > it is a living
> > hell. Citrix servers start blue screening and rebooting etc
> > etc. All because
> > of a printer. JK
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
> > Behalf Of Jeff Stockard
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 2:31 PM
> > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS
> >
> >
> > I haven't had a problem with an HP driver on Citrix since
> > Carly Fiorino took
> > over. HP did a big press release about her, which included
> her e-mail
> > address. The address was posted on this list. Within the
> > week, she had
> > received hundreds of e-mails about HP drivers. Within 2
> months, I had
> > working HP drivers for any HP printer I had then or have used
> > since. I still
> > stay away from PCL drivers, because they are evil. Jeff
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> > Of Shonk, Joe - Perot
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 2:15 PM
> > To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS
> >
> > You mean like HP, a multi-billion dollar international
> > company that can't
> > write print drivers?
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jeff Durbin [mailto:techlists@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 12:08 PM
> > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS
> >
> >
> > Can you even believe that an app vendor would tell you that
> they don't
> > support their app on Citrix/TS? When I hear that (and I've
> heard it a
> > = =3D bunch of times over the years), it makes me feel like the
> > vendor is just =3D
> > ignorant. How can you ignore a technology that is so widely
> > used? Ensuring
> > that an =3D app runs properly under TS is trivial. I hope
> the market's
> > natural selection process takes care of companies like that.=3D20
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=3D20
> > >[mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Angus Macdonald
> > > Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2004 2:03 a.m.
> > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs
> Bare TS =3D20
> > > Not to the application, as far as I'm aware.
> > > You're lucky to get McKesson to support Citrix. The UK branch=3D20
> > > flatly refuses to have anything to do with TS or Citrix with us.
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: J H [mailto:jeffrey_hicks@xxxxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: 31 March 2004 14:53
> > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [THIN] Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS
> > >=3D20
> > >=3D20
> > > We have a vendor ( McKesson ) who is telling us they will=3D20
> > > support their application running in a Citrix environment but=3D20
> > > will not support it in a bare Win2k3 Terminal Server environment.
> > >=3D20
> > > I know, I know, I should just keep my mouth shut and I'll=3D20
> > > finally get the Citrix manageability, client flexibility and=3D20
> > > maybe even the MSAM I dream about but money is tight for this=3D20
> > > hospital.
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> > > We serve up full desktops via Win2k3 TS, Session Directory=3D20
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> > > At the point of the executable running on the server, does=3D20
> > > Citrix offer anything over and above Terminal Services?
> > >=3D20
> > > thanks,
> > > Jeff
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yn ymddiheuro am hyn; peidiwch os gwelwch yn dda â datgelu, anfon ymlaen,
printio, copïo na dosbarthu gwybodaeth yn yr e-bost yma na gweithredu mewn
unrhyw fodd drwy ddibynnu ar ei gynnwys: gwaherddir gwneud hynny'n gyfan gwbl a
gallai fod yn anghyfreithlon. Rhowch wybod i'r anfonwr fod y neges yma wedi
mynd ar goll cyn ei dileu.
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anghenraid yn cynrychioli safbwynt neu farn Ymddiriedolaeth GIG Gogledd
Orllewin Cymru.
Gallai cynnwys yr e-bost yma gael ei ddatgelu i'r cyhoedd o dan Gôd Bod yn
Agored y GIG neu Ddeddf Rhyddid Gwybodaeth 2000. Nid oes modd gwarantu
cyfrinachedd y neges ac unrhyw ateb.
Bydd y neges yma ac unrhyw ffeiliau cysylltiedig wedi cael eu gwirio gan
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