[THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS

Thanks Greg. I'm in New Zealand, so I'll check to see if they're available
here. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Greg Reese
> Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2004 1:48 p.m.
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS
> 
> Look at the Oki B4300n.  It has 10/100 network built in along 
> with = parallel or USB capability.  Prints at 19PPM.  It 
> costs $460.  The Oki = drivers work fins on a terminal server 
> or you can run it as a HPLJ4Plus. =  The toners costs $35 for 
> 2500 pages.
> 
> As a networked printer, that's a steal to me.  I have four of 
> them = deployed as networked printers and about five more 
> locally attached via = parallel cable to thin clients.
> 
> http://www.compudirect.net/oki/led.htm
> 
> Greg
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
> Behalf Of Jeff Durbin
> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 8:33 PM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS
> 
> 
> The customer in question has a few locations where they have 
> low volume printing, but need it to not rely on a PC being 
> turned on for it to = print, so we're looking for something 
> cheap. The lowest end networked Laserjet = here is the 1300N, 
> but it's $1750, which would be cost prohibitive for this 
> customer. The Laserjet 1010 won't work because it's a GDI 
> printer, but = the
> 1015 appears to support PCL5e for not much more money.
> 
> JD
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=20
> > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mack, Rick
> > Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2004 1:12 p.m.
> > To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare 
> TS =20  Hi 
> >Jeff,  It's easier. Don't have any smarts on the printer and do=20  
> >EVERYTHING on the host computer. You're not talking printer=20  
> >drivers, you've got a full print engine with all the bells=20  and 
> >whistles.
> >=20
> > This type of printer is no bargain in a networked 
> environment=20  if 
> >you want more than 1 user sharing the printer. At the very=20  least 
> >you'll need some form of universal printer driver.
> >=20
> > Spend a bit more. If it won't run off a JetDirect print=20  
> server (eg 
> >native support of PCL and/or PS), it's not worth touching.
> >=20
> > Regards,
> >=20
> > Rick
> >=20
> > Ulrich Mack
> > rmack@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Volante Systems
> > 18 Heussler Terrace, Milton 4064
> > Queensland Australia.=20
> > tel +61 7 3246 7704=20
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jeff Durbin [mailto:techlists@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2004 11:00 AM
> > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare 
> TS =20 =20  
> >Here's a great example of why: I'm looking at a cheap HP 
> laser for a  
> >customer - the Laserjet 1010. Look at the system requirements:
> >=20
> > MIN SYS REQS: Operating system requirements as recommended 
> by=20  the 
> >operating  system vendor plus free hard disk space (140 MB 
> for full=20  
> >installation, 10 MB for print drivers only); CD-ROM disk=20  drive; 
> >USB, dedicated IEEE-1284 compliant bi-directional parallel, or  
> >ECP-compliant parallel port=20 =20  140 MB for full installation and 
> >10MB just for drivers. Talk about  bloatware. 140MB. How could you 
> >*possibly* use 140MB of disk=20  space just to  manage a printer?
> >=20
> >=20
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bill Beckett
> > > Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2004 7:52 a.m.
> > > To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs 
> Bare TS =20  
> > >We have had so many problems with HP color printers that 
> we  made all 
> > >color HP's inaccessible from a Citrix box. HP has a=20  
> long way to 
> > >go with their drivers and compatibility with=20  Citrix, 
> no question.
> > >=20
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jim Kenzig http://thin.net [mailto:jimkenz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: Wednesday March 31, 2004 2:57 PM
> > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS =20 
> > >=20  Don't know what world you are living in there Jeff but  
> > >everytime we get a  new model HP printer here put on a 
> workstation on 
> > >our network=20  it is a living  hell. Citrix servers start blue 
> > >screening and rebooting etc=20  etc. All because  of a 
> printer. JK=20 
> > >=20  -----Original Message-----
> > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
> > > Behalf Of Jeff Stockard
> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 2:31 PM
> > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS =20 
> > >=20  I haven't had a problem with an HP driver on Citrix 
> since  Carly 
> > >Fiorino took  over.  HP did a big press release about her, which 
> > >included=20
> > her e-mail
> > > address.  The address was posted on this list.  Within 
> the=20 week, 
> > > she had received hundreds of e-mails about HP drivers.  
> Within 2=20
> > months, I had
> > > working HP drivers for any HP printer I had then or have used=20  
> > >since. I still  stay away from PCL drivers, because they are evil. 
> > >Jeff =20  -----Original Message-----
> > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf  Of Shonk, 
> Joe - Perot
> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 2:15 PM
> > > To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs 
> Bare TS =20  
> > >You mean like HP, a multi-billion dollar international  
> company that 
> > >can't  write print drivers?
> > >=20
> > > Joe
> > >=20
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jeff Durbin [mailto:techlists@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 12:08 PM
> > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS =20 
> > >=20  Can you even believe that an app vendor would tell you that=20
> > they don't=20
> > > support their app on Citrix/TS? When I hear that (and I've=20
> > heard it a=20
> > > =3D =3D3D bunch of times over the years), it makes me 
> feel like the 
> > > vendor is just =3D3D ignorant. How can you ignore a 
> technology that 
> > > is so widely=20 used? Ensuring that an =3D3D app runs 
> properly under 
> > > TS is trivial. I hope=20
> > the market's
> > > natural selection process takes care of companies like 
> that.=3D3D20 
> > >=20
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=3D3D20 
> > > >[mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Angus Macdonald
> > > > Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2004 2:03 a.m.
> > > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs=20
> > Bare TS =3D3D20
> > > > Not to the application, as far as I'm aware.
> > > > You're lucky to get McKesson to support Citrix. The UK =
> branch=3D3D20
> > > > flatly refuses to have anything to do with TS or Citrix with us.
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: J H [mailto:jeffrey_hicks@xxxxxxxxx]
> > > > Sent: 31 March 2004 14:53
> > > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [THIN] Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare 
> TS =3D3D20 
> > > >=3D3D20  We have a vendor ( McKesson ) who is telling us they 
> > > >will=3D3D20  support their application running in a Citrix 
> > > >environment =
> but=3D3D20
> > > > will not support it in a bare Win2k3 Terminal Server 
> environment.
> > > >=3D3D20
> > > > I know, I know, I should just keep my mouth shut and 
> I'll=3D3D20  
> > > >finally get the Citrix manageability, client flexibility =
> and=3D3D20
> > > > maybe even the MSAM I dream about but money is tight for =
> this=3D3D20
> > > > hospital.
> > > >=3D3D20
> > > > We serve up full desktops via Win2k3 TS, Session 
> Directory=3D3D20  
> > > >with TS Profiles.
> > > > At the point of the executable running on the server, 
> does=3D3D20  
> > > >Citrix offer anything over and above Terminal Services?
> > > >=3D3D20
> > > > thanks,
> > > > Jeff
> > > > University of Colorado Hospital=3D3D20 =3D3D20
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