Thanks Greg. I'm in New Zealand, so I'll check to see if they're available here. > -----Original Message----- > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Greg Reese > Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2004 1:48 p.m. > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS > > Look at the Oki B4300n. It has 10/100 network built in along > with = parallel or USB capability. Prints at 19PPM. It > costs $460. The Oki = drivers work fins on a terminal server > or you can run it as a HPLJ4Plus. = The toners costs $35 for > 2500 pages. > > As a networked printer, that's a steal to me. I have four of > them = deployed as networked printers and about five more > locally attached via = parallel cable to thin clients. > > http://www.compudirect.net/oki/led.htm > > Greg > > -----Original Message----- > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On > Behalf Of Jeff Durbin > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 8:33 PM > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS > > > The customer in question has a few locations where they have > low volume printing, but need it to not rely on a PC being > turned on for it to = print, so we're looking for something > cheap. The lowest end networked Laserjet = here is the 1300N, > but it's $1750, which would be cost prohibitive for this > customer. The Laserjet 1010 won't work because it's a GDI > printer, but = the > 1015 appears to support PCL5e for not much more money. > > JD > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=20 > > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mack, Rick > > Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2004 1:12 p.m. > > To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare > TS =20 Hi > >Jeff, It's easier. Don't have any smarts on the printer and do=20 > >EVERYTHING on the host computer. You're not talking printer=20 > >drivers, you've got a full print engine with all the bells=20 and > >whistles. > >=20 > > This type of printer is no bargain in a networked > environment=20 if > >you want more than 1 user sharing the printer. At the very=20 least > >you'll need some form of universal printer driver. > >=20 > > Spend a bit more. If it won't run off a JetDirect print=20 > server (eg > >native support of PCL and/or PS), it's not worth touching. > >=20 > > Regards, > >=20 > > Rick > >=20 > > Ulrich Mack > > rmack@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Volante Systems > > 18 Heussler Terrace, Milton 4064 > > Queensland Australia.=20 > > tel +61 7 3246 7704=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jeff Durbin [mailto:techlists@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > > Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2004 11:00 AM > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare > TS =20 =20 > >Here's a great example of why: I'm looking at a cheap HP > laser for a > >customer - the Laserjet 1010. Look at the system requirements: > >=20 > > MIN SYS REQS: Operating system requirements as recommended > by=20 the > >operating system vendor plus free hard disk space (140 MB > for full=20 > >installation, 10 MB for print drivers only); CD-ROM disk=20 drive; > >USB, dedicated IEEE-1284 compliant bi-directional parallel, or > >ECP-compliant parallel port=20 =20 140 MB for full installation and > >10MB just for drivers. Talk about bloatware. 140MB. How could you > >*possibly* use 140MB of disk=20 space just to manage a printer? > >=20 > >=20 > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bill Beckett > > > Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2004 7:52 a.m. > > > To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' > > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs > Bare TS =20 > > >We have had so many problems with HP color printers that > we made all > > >color HP's inaccessible from a Citrix box. HP has a=20 > long way to > > >go with their drivers and compatibility with=20 Citrix, > no question. > > >=20 > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Jim Kenzig http://thin.net [mailto:jimkenz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] > > > Sent: Wednesday March 31, 2004 2:57 PM > > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS =20 > > >=20 Don't know what world you are living in there Jeff but > > >everytime we get a new model HP printer here put on a > workstation on > > >our network=20 it is a living hell. Citrix servers start blue > > >screening and rebooting etc=20 etc. All because of a > printer. JK=20 > > >=20 -----Original Message----- > > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On > > > Behalf Of Jeff Stockard > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 2:31 PM > > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS =20 > > >=20 I haven't had a problem with an HP driver on Citrix > since Carly > > >Fiorino took over. HP did a big press release about her, which > > >included=20 > > her e-mail > > > address. The address was posted on this list. Within > the=20 week, > > > she had received hundreds of e-mails about HP drivers. > Within 2=20 > > months, I had > > > working HP drivers for any HP printer I had then or have used=20 > > >since. I still stay away from PCL drivers, because they are evil. > > >Jeff =20 -----Original Message----- > > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Shonk, > Joe - Perot > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 2:15 PM > > > To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' > > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs > Bare TS =20 > > >You mean like HP, a multi-billion dollar international > company that > > >can't write print drivers? > > >=20 > > > Joe > > >=20 > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Jeff Durbin [mailto:techlists@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 12:08 PM > > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs Bare TS =20 > > >=20 Can you even believe that an app vendor would tell you that=20 > > they don't=20 > > > support their app on Citrix/TS? When I hear that (and I've=20 > > heard it a=20 > > > =3D =3D3D bunch of times over the years), it makes me > feel like the > > > vendor is just =3D3D ignorant. How can you ignore a > technology that > > > is so widely=20 used? Ensuring that an =3D3D app runs > properly under > > > TS is trivial. I hope=20 > > the market's > > > natural selection process takes care of companies like > that.=3D3D20 > > >=20 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=3D3D20 > > > >[mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Angus Macdonald > > > > Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2004 2:03 a.m. > > > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Running Applications in Citrix vs=20 > > Bare TS =3D3D20 > > > > Not to the application, as far as I'm aware. > > > > You're lucky to get McKesson to support Citrix. 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