[THIN] Re: Citrix/Novell Integration Feedback
- From: "Matt Kosht" <matt.kosht@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 09:39:37 -0400
The point of DLU (I think) is to displace the need for Active Directory
anything. You use NDS (eDirectory) instead. The Citrix farm could just
be in a simple Windows workgroup vs. Active Directory tree. The roaming
profile controlled by Zenworks can be stored in the users Novell home
directory or any networked drive accessible by the user. There is no
need for creating the user in the local SAM as it is done by DLU on the
fly.
I haven't attempted to run a mixed Novell/Zenworks and Microsoft AD
environment so I can't really speak to how or if it works. I suspect you
would need a tool like DirXML or Metadirectory services to sync up the 2
directory services otherwise you would have to manually sync user ID's
and passwords (unrealistic with real security and real users). Anyone
on the list done this? I wouldn't mind hearing about your experiences.
>>> dsanchez@xxxxxxxxx 6/20/2003 2:41:38 AM >>>
Ok, thaks for your response, but if i use DLU user volatile, can i use
roaming profile and mantain working the farm such as Windows 2000 =
Active
Directory integration? The roaming profiles can be read from a share =
whitout
users in local SAM?
Thanks
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-----Mensaje original-----
De: Matt Kosht [mailto:matt.kosht@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Enviado el: jueves, 19 de junio de 2003 19:07
Para: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Asunto: [THIN] Re: Citrix/Novell Integration Feedback
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The DLU (Dynamic LOCAL users) feature in Zenworks will only create
local users not domain or AD users. You would need something to
synchronize AD and NDS ahem eDirectory. Novell has a product called
DirXML that can do NDS->Active Directory sync. Microsoft has called
Microsoft Metadirectory Services (MMS) that can sync Active
Directory->NDS. I haven't used either product. MMS last time I
checked
was only available to Microsoft Consulting. That might have changed in
Windows Server 2003 though. Has anyone on the list used either of
these to integrate these 2 directories?
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You can mark the DLU user volatile so it is removed on logout. This
way
you don't get the profile directory copied 4 times in the case of your
farm.=20
>>> dsanchez@xxxxxxxxx 6/19/2003 12:25:30 PM >>>
Now, i'm installing a metaframe xp farm with:
+ Novell Netware 6 (150 clients)
+ Novell client 4.83 SP2. (The only i work with it stable.)
+ 4 server MTF XP 1.0 SP2/FR2 (Can't anyone works with FR3 in a Novell
enviroment?) The 4 servers works in workgroup
+ Using Zenworks 4 for DLU policy
+ Zenworks policy for roaming profile. I reported problems storing =3D
profiles
in netware share.
+ I use Neoware eon 6300 (XPe) and Capio Thin clients and works fine.
=3D
Access
to Metaframe with Nfuse (Web Interface)
+ I use various USB devices in thin clients: external hard disk, =3D
external
usb cd-rw, external floppy disk drive. (works fine)
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I have some problems that i no have idea so get a solution:
The users are created 4 times (1 per server) in local SAM.?????
Thanks.
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-----Mensaje original-----
De: Stansel, Paul [mailto:Paul.Stansel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]=20
Enviado el: jueves, 19 de junio de 2003 15:27
Para: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'=20
Asunto: [THIN] Re: Citrix/Novell Integration Feedback
1) I should have clarified, our users are primarily WAN users. No =3D
local
Novell client installed. Additionally we are using CSG. We are on a
=3D
6.30
client primarily.
2) We changed the terminal server profile path and home directory to =
=3D
point
to an NT share. Essentially the Netware environment is kept off of
the
terminal servers except for a few pieces like mapped drives, printer =
=3D
shares,
and an SSO app.=3D20
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> From: Matt Kosht[SMTP:matt.kosht@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]=20
> Reply To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=20
> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 9:20 AM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=20
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Citrix/Novell Integration Feedback
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> 1) Seems to function fine w/v4.83SP2. Many of the users PC's are at
> v4.7 and v4.80 of the Novell client though. Did you see any
problems
> with mismatch of users PC Novell client version vs. the release the
> Citrix server was at? What release of the PN or PN Agent are you =3D
using?
> =3D20
> 2) Limited testing so far hasn't shown this behavior. When you say
=3D
you
> moved it to Win2K. Do you mean you pointed the Zenworks User Policy
=3D
at a
> Windows share? Are you using Dynamic local user?
> =3D20
> 3) I didn't install the WM (didn't need any functionality it
provided
> anyway) so I guess I ducked a bullet there.
> =3D20
> Thanks for the feedback.=3D20
> >>> Paul.Stansel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 6/19/2003 8:33:53 AM >>>
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> Well, here are some of the issues we ran in to.=3D20
>=3D20
> 1) Passthru of user credentials when the server has the Novell
client
> installed. See TID 10024791- "Instruct NWGINA and login to accept =
=3D
the
> proper user credentials in a MetaFrame Environment"
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> 2) Storing the profile on a Netware volume. We had all sorts of =3D
grief
> with
> this for some reason. It kept corrupting the profiles and giving us
> app
> errors, and strangely enough would not map the home drive correctly
=3D
no
> matter what we tried. Moved them to a Win2K server and it worked
> fine.
>=3D20
> 3) Installing the Workstation Manager as part of the client caused
us
> all
> sorts of grief with user policies. We don't install that piece
> anymore.
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> Those are the ones that come to mind. Hope it helps.
>=3D20
> -Paul
>=3D20
> > ----------
> > From: Matt Kosht[SMTP:matt.kosht@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D20=20
> > Reply To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=3D20=20
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 2:45 PM
> > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=3D20=20
> > Subject: [THIN] Re: Citrix/Novell Integration Feedback
> >=3D20
> > No desktop access (not yet anyway), Not using NAL. Most users
are
> WAN
> > connected.=3D20
> > >>> Paul.Stansel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 6/18/2003 2:16:35 PM >>>
> > Are you just providing desktop access and then using NAL to launch
> the
> > apps?
> > Are these users LAN or WAN?
> >=3D20
> > > ----------
> > > From: Matt Kosht[SMTP:matt.kosht@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D20=20
> > > Reply To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=3D20=20
> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 2:13 PM
> > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=3D20=20
> > > Subject: [THIN] Citrix/Novell Integration Feedback
> > >=3D20
> > > We are moving a customer's farm from a Microsoft Domain (NT 4.0
> > > DC's)authentication to run apps in the farm to an NDS based one.
> > > =3D20
> > > Configuration (currently working in a test network) is the
> > following:
> > > =3D20
> > > W2K Server SP3,Citrix Metaframe XP 1.0 SP2/FR2, Novell Client
> > v4.83SP2
> > > Novell Netware 5.1 SP5 (TCP/IP only)
> > > Zenworks for Desktops v4 SP1 (Dynamic Local User for W2K
Terminal
> > > server users,volatile, storing roaming profile on a Netware
> volume)
> > > Citrix PN Agent (passthru existing NDS authentication)
> > > Citrix NFuse 1.7 (set to NDS Authentication Mode)
> > > =3D20
> > > Any production experiences, tips/tricks, etc. would be =3D
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