Very true! I dumped Norton 6 months ago. Long boot ups, internet lockup, and ocassional crashes were all attribitable to it. Presently, we use a linux based hardware firewall backed up by zone-alarm on the PCs as well as AVG. No more bizzare behavior since. We also periodically run ad-aware and spybot s&d just for good measure. Jim McVey McVey Alltronix 327 Broadway Newburgh N.Y. 12550 Factory authorized service for over 20 major brands. 845 561 8383 Phillip R. Hull wrote: >The more you pay for something the lower the rating, plus Norton slows >down many computers >Phillip R Hull STET >phil245@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >FAX 517--569-3075 >Professional Technicians only >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bil Green" <tv.vcrrepair@xxxxxxxxxxx> >To: "Damon" <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 3:13 PM >Subject: [TechAssist] Re: computer question how do i secure my computer from >hackers > > > > >>If Norton is so good, why does it have such a terrible rating (among >>actual users) at download.com? Check it out: 35% approval for Norton >>Internet Security 2005 (35 votes). Norton Antivirus 2005, about the >>same (80 votes). >> >>I would feel like a fool to use this. Ad-aware is rated 89% and there >>are other free programs which work far better than Norton. Sorry guys, >>I'm just reporting what I see. >> >>Yeh, Norton probably works great for a few. But there are far too many >>complaints. >> >>Bil Green >>PC 1000 >>Mammoth Lakes, CA 93546 >>760-924-1000 >> >>Monday, November 22, 2004, 11:07:55 PM, you wrote: >> >>D> " Is this an issue to do with firewall ( NEED ADVICE ) " >> >>D> Yes it is and Norton Internet Security will stop spam, popups, viruses, >>D> Trojans, provides a firewall, etc......IT's Complete Protection for The >>D> Internet....which is what we all need, including you. >> >>D> I used to have spyware, popups occur because some stuff just slips by >> >> >the > > >>D> general programs....not with Norton....$59.95 at Walmart, worth every >> >> >penny, > > >>D> and after a year you suscribe yearly, getting updates on every piece of >>D> protection built into N.I.S. >> >>D> Damon Brunger >>D> Telrad Electronics >>D> Ft. Wayne, IN >>D> ----- Original Message ----- >>D> From: "Tiberio Moreira" <tibstv@xxxxxxxxxxx> >>D> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>D> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 11:12 PM >>D> Subject: [TechAssist] computer question how do i secure my computer >> >> >from > > >>D> hackers >> >> >> >> >>>>hello to all >>>>Thanks to all who responded to my post >>>>As it turned out my computer was loaded with spyware >>>>I downloaded adware and ran program computer seems to be back to normal >>>>my next question is how do I know if my computer is safe enough to do >>>>transactions with a credit card ? Just recently some got access to my >>>>credit >>>>card number ( now I'm afraid to use it online ) >>>>Is this an issue to do with firewall ( NEED ADVICE ) >>>>Any suggestions >>>>tib >>>> >>>>Tiberio Moreira >>>>412 Lancaster St. >>>>Leominster Ma. (978) 5375973 >>>>#9176 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>From: Bil Green <tv.vcrrepair@xxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>Reply-To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>To: J Silverman <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: ........changed to Spyware........ >>>>>Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:41:01 -0800 >>>>> >>>>>Actually I could. Produce and even better product without cheating. >>>>>It's too bad that so many people fell for this trick and gave the >>>>>program a good rating. >>>>> >>>>>I thinks CNET should start banning programs which install spyware >>>>>without telling the customer before the installation. >>>>> >>>>>Bil Green >>>>>PC 1000 >>>>>Mammoth Lakes, CA 93546 >>>>>760-924-1000 >>>>> >>>>>Monday, November 22, 2004, 2:42:53 PM, you wrote: >>>>> >>>>>JS> Can you think of a better way to guarantee success? >>>>>JS> Jerry Silverman >>>>>JS> Greentron Inc >>>>>JS> 4 Newland Ave >>>>>JS> Greenville SC 29609 >>>>>JS> Fax/Phone 864 232 3889 >>>>>JS> mail to: greentron@xxxxxxx >>>>>JS> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>JS> From: "Bil Green" <tv.vcrrepair@xxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>JS> To: "Jim Myers" <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>JS> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 4:57 PM >>>>>JS> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: ........changed to Spyware........ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>But someone already found that Spysweeper downloads spyware and >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >places > > >>>>>>>it in its own directory, then finds it during the scan. Didn't you >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >see > > >>>>>>>my earlier post? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Bil Green >>>>>>>PC 1000 >>>>>>>Mammoth Lakes, CA 93546 >>>>>>>760-924-1000 >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Monday, November 22, 2004, 12:39:35 PM, you wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>JM> Every place I look the trial download is free but to subscribe >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >it > > >>>>>is >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>JM> $29.95, I ran AdAware and Spybot S&D to be sure my system is >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >clean > > >>>>>JS> then >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>JM> downloaded Spysweeper, ran AdAware and Spybot again, still >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >clean. > > >>>>>Then >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>JM> ran Spysweeper. Spysweeper took longer to scan my system and >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >found > > >>>>>12 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>JM> spywares and 22 traces. Does this mean it is better and found >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >some > > >>>>>JS> that >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>JM> the other two missed or did it put some on my system to find? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >My > > >>>>>JS> feeling >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>JM> is it must be better since we know that Spybot finds some that >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>AdAware >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>JM> misses and visa versa. Maybe Spysweeper is worth the 30 bucks. >>>>>>>JM> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>JS> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>************************************************************************* >>>> >>>> >*** > > >>>>>JS> *************************************** >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>JM> Since 1972 >>>>>>>JM> Jim Myers >>>>>>>JM> Telrad Electronics >>>>>>>JM> Fort Wayne, Indiana >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>JM> Tony S wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I have been using Spysweeper for 2 weeks now and I have to >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >agree, > > >>>>>does >>>>>JS> a >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>better job then Adaware. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Tony Saracco >>>>>>>>>TCS ELECTRONICS >>>>>>>>>406 Andra Ct. >>>>>>>>>Gilberts, IL 60136 >>>>>>>>>tcselectronics@xxxxxxxxx >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>From: "Damon" <damon101@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>>>>To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 6:31 PM >>>>>>>>>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: computer problem Symantic Email Proxy >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>Pop-ups >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>overtaking my computer >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Spysweeper will kick Spybot's and Adaware's asses with both >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >hands > > >>>>>tied >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>behind it's back........and I've tried all 3 and the magazines >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >have > > >>>>>JS> rated >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>it >>>>>>>>>>above both too....Webroot Spysweeper.....that's the one to >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >download > > >>>>>JS> free. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>That's Spysweeper......by Webroot. Want me to spell it???? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Essss, Peee, Why, Esss, Double you, Eeeee, Eeeee, Peee, Eeee, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>JS> Are.....;-) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Damon Brunger >>>>>>>>>>Telrad Electronics >>>>>>>>>>Ft. Wayne, IN >>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>From: "Intrepid Video Support" <support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>>>>>To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 4:06 PM >>>>>>>>>>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: computer problem Symantic Email Proxy >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>Pop-ups >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>overtaking my computer >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Tib, >>>>>>>>>>>Do you have spyware scanners on your computer? >>>>>>>>>>>If not, you need some.. >>>>>>>>>>>Go to www.download.com, search for Spybot and Adaware. >>>>>>>>>>>Download each one, install, check for updates, then run them. >>>>>>>>>>>Jeff >>>>>>>>>>>-- >>>>>>>>>>>Intrepid Video TV/VCR Repair >>>>>>>>>>>263 S Front St, Steelton PA 17113 >>>>>>>>>>>717-939-7708; (F) 717-564-4952 >>>>>>>>>>>www.intrepid-video.com www.tech-repair.net >>>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>>From: "Tiberio Moreira" <tibstv@xxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>>>>>>To: <ServiceTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ><techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > >>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 11:43 AM >>>>>>>>>>>Subject: [TechAssist] computer problem Symantic Email Proxy >>>>>>>>>>>Pop-ups >>>>>>>>>>>overtaking my computer >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>hello to everyone >>>>>>>>>>>got up sunday morning to check email and there were a zillion >>>>>>>>>>>email >>>>>>>>>>>scanning >>>>>>>>>>>errors on my task bar >>>>>>>>>>>been on computer all morning clicking X's ( close program ) >>>>>>>>>>>There is a constant folw of Pop-Ups labled Symantic Email Proxy >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>with >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>messages >>>>>>>>>>>your email was unable to be sent server rejected the >>>>>>>>>>>recipient/sender/server >>>>>>>>>>>interrupted >>>>>>>>>>>open email client and resend message from set message folder >>>>>>>>>>>just in time i spent writing this email (25 min ) i had to >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >close > > >>>>>JS> pop-ups >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>every couple of sec >>>>>>>>>>>There is a Symantec scanning message box running on both bottum >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>JS> corners >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>of >>>>>>>>>>>screen >>>>>>>>>>>Hope someone can help me out before i take a hammer to fix >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >problem > > >>>>>>>>>>>tib >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Tiberio Moreira >>>>>>>>>>>412 Lancaster St. >>>>>>>>>>>Leominster Ma. 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