I agree Terry, for the most part traffic does flow better when the signals are off. However, have you ever watched drivers at a mini roundabout? It is somewhere between bazaar and laughable! No-one seems to know what to do - most people stop, their eyes glaze over and they wait for 'something' to happen.... then they all try to go at once. Or is this just Merseyside? Peter Jones Project Leader - Traffic Control Systems Phone: +44 (0) 151 934 4254 Fax: +44 (0) 151 922 4514 Mobile: 07788 100 584 Peter.Jones (AT) technical.sefton.gov.uk Sefton MBC - UTC 7th Floor Balliol House Balliol Road Bootle L20 3NJ Please see our web pages on traffic control in Sefton: http://www.sefton.gov.uk/content-2781 ----------------------------------------------------------- A message from the TCUG mailing list. For information about the list visit //www.freelists.org/webpage/tcug