Richard, Maybe you are one of the eternal optimists but since when do the public ever realise what we do for them? We put a lot of time and effort into fine tuning our Siemens SCOOT system and everything works very well. But on that one occasion that a loop goes faulty or is damaged by a contractor and you end up with five extra cars in a queue, the phones start ringing! The don't know they're born! Peter Jones Project Leader - Traffic Control Systems Phone: +44 (0) 151 934 4254 Fax: +44 (0) 151 922 4514 Mobile: 07788 100 584 Peter.Jones (AT) technical.sefton.gov.uk Sefton MBC - UTC 7th Floor Balliol House Balliol Road Bootle L20 3NJ Please see our web pages on traffic control in Sefton: http://www.sefton.gov.uk/content-2781 ----------------------------------------------------------- A message from the TCUG mailing list. For information about the list visit //www.freelists.org/webpage/tcug