[TCUG] Re: Bleep and Sweep pedestrian crossings
- From: "Welsh, Paul" <paulwelsh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: tcug@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 08:52:15 +0100
As far as I know the numbers are small. The very first B&S was on the
Bristol Rd near Hole lane, with a blind residential home close by. It has
always been popular in helping those who are mobile to have some
independence. But the refuge is wide enough (5m) for it to work well.
PW
-----Original Message-----
From: Harrison David [mailto:david.harrison@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 21 April 2005 23:46
To: tcug@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [TCUG] Re: Bleep and Sweep pedestrian crossings
Steve
Back in October 2004 I noticed only some 4 replies starting on 6 October=
and concluding 7 October. That effectively answered the original question=
so the debate concluded. Here in Newcastle we never tried Bleep and Sweeep=
(BAS) and simply relied on twirly knobs only on all the dual carriageway=
sites. I had a case under a Section 278 job just prior to the exchanges in=
October where I had recommended the provision of our very first BAS on an=
unlinked pair of new puffins on a dual carriageway for a new site to repla=
ce an existing footbridge, which would have had to be demolished to allow=
the development to go ahead.=20
I had (probably wrongly) assumed that throughout the country BAS would have=
become widely used, and we had simply lagged behind others=20in adopting=
its use where we could not otherwise provide audibles. We had read up on=
TAL 4/91 et al and assumed that BAS would have become quite common in the=
intervening 13 years. As it happens, the Section 278 became academic and= I
appear to avoided possible error in advocating the solution in the case= in
question. I had also been challeging the assumption under BVPI 165 that=
several of our sites really ought to have audibles as well if we could, bu=
t strictly only BAS because of proximity of the two independent crossings=
over he dual carriageway where they are of the order of 10m or so apart.=
That might have dragged down our 95% for a while, but that would have been=
the a fair price to pay if we could have improved the situation for the be=
nefit of the customers.
In view of the lack of much debate on the issue, I have now concluded that=
we probably need to think again. My conclusion is that there are probably=
relatively few actual sites throughout the country, and a somewhat mixed=
view of a small number who have actually tried using BAS.=20
I would be grateful for any further responses to give a better statisical=
basis for my current doubts. The straw pole in Ocober is a bit 'thin'. If=
people don't want to swamp the freelist, perhaps you could let me know dir=
ect <david.harrison@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> how many BAS sites you have or if you=
have decided consiously to have none. If I get much more direct than throu=
gh the freelist, I'll post the outcome in a couple of weeks or so.
Thanks
David Harrison
Newcastle=20City Council
(usual disclaimers apply)
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My impression is that with the benefit of hindsight =20 Fleckney, Kevan
(06/10/2004 11:31):
>Stephen
>
>There are too sites here in sunny Torbay; one is on a dual carriageway
>and the=20other is on a single carriageway. Reliability has been a
>problem, th=
ere
>are always one or two units that don't work. Apparently they can fill
>with water which stops them from making a noise - a small hole in the
>base allo=
ws
>water to drain out! I cannot say that I have heard bleep and sweep
>change volume according to the background noise thouigh. On the bright
>side, we have had no complaints about them from the public.
>
>Kevan Fleckney
>
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>> From: stephen.falconer@xxxxxxxxxxxx=20
>> Sent: 06 October 2004 12:12
>> To: tcug@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [TCUG] Bleep and Sweep pedestrian crossings
>>=20
>> Here in Leeds we did try, many years ago, two operate two dual
>>crossings with "Bleep and Sweep". which we were not too happy with,
>>due in part to maintenance problems and also the effectiveness of
>>their operation. Can=
I
>> ask if anybody still uses this form of pedestrian indication on
>>crossings and whether or not they consider them successful.
>>=20
>> Steve Falconer
>> UTMC
>> Leeds City Council
>> 0113 2476768
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