Alright guys, every time I open my mouth in Si-list I seem to be "getting some". So Paul and Patrick if you feel offended, my usual apology. I started this DesignCon thread as genuinely happy to meet some of the Si-list people. And I truly thought it was a good "pay back" time for some of the Si list people to get back on me for all the bad language I used in the pass few years. Just ask Steve what kind of joke he pulled on me in front of the crowd in DesignCon. If you want to meet for lunch next time, I'll bring the pie so that you can throw at me. What I do for a living is not relevant. Read back the old Si-list a few years back and I was blamed for consultant bashing, now I am blamed as a pimp consultant. Call me anyway you want but don't ignore my message. I don't shoot from my hip and everything I said is from my own experience not hearsay. Criticize me on the data I deliver, not the way I deliver it. If I have a thick enough skin to stay in the list you should have a thick enough skin to tell me where I got my facts wrong. I really want to hear it. -----Original Message----- From: Russell D. Moser [mailto:r.moser@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 2:03 PM To: pzilaro@xxxxxxxxxxxx; paul.taddonio@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Chris.Cheng@xxxxxxxxxxxx; 'silist' Subject: RE: [SI-LIST] Re: DesignCon Papers I have been at this SI stuff since the mid 80's. Respected by some, not so by others. I freely admit and accept that. Having made it to the level of Director at AMP/tyco for dozen or so years, and finding myself once again on my own, I wish that those of you whom hold the consultant with great disdain, stop and think about the following: 1. A nice, periodic paycheck 2. Health care 3. Holidays 4. family leave 5. bonuses 6. sleeping at night. Could you imagine how it feels to know that you do not have any contracts/proposals in the works and wondering how to make tomorrow's dinner, let alone a 401K contribution? As a good marriage can be fleeting, so can your career. We all have to do what we need to exist. While I do not personally know Chris, I am not aware of any mis-conduct. To blast him for trying to eek out a living is way out of bounds of the engineers creed. Just think again about being on your own..... Russ Moser ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Guys, Chris Cheng purposely acts like this to gain notoriety for the purpose = of promoting his consulting services. Please ignore him. The more you publicly "take offense, etc.", the more = he is getting exactly what he wants. Regards, Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu