In a message dated 12/8/2005 10:09:57 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, ruready8336@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: Am I wanting to establish a reputable breeding program with champion and healthy animals, YOU BET!! If my ideas won't do the trick, then why doesn't someone offer up the tricks to making it work!! MC My frustrations do not stem from the health problems that gsd's can and do experience, but from the lack of concern that seems to be portyayed on this list when someone voices their concerns about said health issues. Here's what you are missing IMO. There're no tricks, no magic bullet. You do the best you can. If you do, and you get issues, you breed away from them. If you don't like/approve of or agree with someone else's concept of "the best "THEY" can", you don't have to buy/breed into their lines. (As far as some sucker being "stuck" with a lovely piece of crap, <your words, not mine>...wweeeelll...not too many who haven't proven themselves are going to get a "lovely" anything.) What is really, really tiring is the "you should", "you must", "someone ought to", "let me tell you how it OUGHT..." statements from a few very vocal novices with absolutely NO track record. It's fine not to have a track record, but, if the shoe fits, don't 'ya think yad' be a little humble telling others that DO, what they SHOULD and SHOULDN'T do????? Kathy three generations of Dual Titled Champions live here! visit _Pine Hill German Shepherd Dogs_ (http://www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds/) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================