Louie and Carolyn You are so right and ------, the GSDC of America needs to offer MORE EDUCATION TO THE JUDGES. One seminar at our National,is not, in my opinion nearly enough. In learning about other breeds, so that I could judge them correctly, I am amazed at the numerous seminars that other breeds offer the student judge. As I look in the back of the AKC Gazette I see loads of seminars offered throughout the country, by breed clubs that are dedicated to educating all breed judges, they are very serious about it. It is quite possible that many of the all breed judges are either judging or attending other Group Judging Seminars and cannot attend only the one Seminar that the GSDCA offers. As it becomes more difficult to have large major shows we are seeing that some Specialty Shows are backing up with All Breed shows such as GSDC of No Ohio has done, with outstanding success. What an opportunity for us to educate so many all breed judges at one time!!!!!!!!!! We are missing a golden opportunity. We do have the $'s to spend on education and a responsibility to do so. Besides these eager judges are willing to pay to come to seminars;!!! Most all breed judges really do not want to make fools of themselves when they judge large all breed shows and have to pass judgment on a breed they have not been properly educated on in order to be eligible to judge that group. We may not like this but it is a fact. I do believe we will see a united effort to make this happen in the not too distant future. Nancy Harper ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louis Christina" <louroshepherds@xxxxxxxxx> To: <carolynmckenna@xxxxxxxxx>; <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 2:18 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Why ? Carolyn, You hit the nail right on the head. Education, education,education. My question is why don't these all- breed judges take it upon themselves to learn more about the breeds they are judging. If they don't have the proper knowledge of the breeds they judge it sure isn't fair to the exhibitors. If they went to breed speciality shows once in awhile they probably would be amazed at what they may learn about some of the breeds they are judging. I know they read the standards but wonder if they understand what they are reading or looking at in the illustrations. Make no mistake, I am not talking about all the all-breed judges.There are many good ones. It's just that a good percent need to be more or properly educated. JMO. Louie ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================