Good point in some ways Jackie. NO ONE is always right......and what is right for you or Sara or me or Lynda is is not right for someone else. But ...to take a response from some that do respond and "assume" we are being confrontational and wanting to change every one to our way of thinking makes it a tad difficult to RESPOND at all at times. No one is trying to change Sara to their thinking that I can see........but she has gotten many careful, thoughtful and helpful responses. For Sara to take a 'broad brush' and criticize Linda after checking out her web site for titles that impress her is not fair. Many of us do not update our web sites........and many of us do not always advertise in the Review........and many do not have the time or the money to do what someone else does.........and we are not accountable to Sara or anyone else for that.... when trying to respond as helpfully and honestly as we can to her valid questions. Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.Marhaven.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Jackie Short-Nguyen To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 12:10 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Topic change - was Apology to The List I disagree that she's being smug. Personally, I feel that she's challenging what people are saying. A person can ask for help and advice (and take some of that help and advice) and still disagree with parts of what they're being told. Help and advice is often wanted and needed, but people are only going to take the parts that are useful to them, or, take what's useful at that present time, and use the rest later. And even if somebody ASKS for advice, they are not obligated to take it. It is "food for thought". Not always consumed. Sometimes it ends up as leftovers. -- Jackie & Jonathan Nguyen Marcato German Shepherds<http://www.marcatogermanshepherds.com> Sara, We also bred and co-owned (from american show lines) 2 UD dogs - one of which was High in Trial at one of our German Shepherd dog Club of america National specialties over an entry of over 100 dogs. several of our dogs don't have titles on one end or the other but most do and many have both. I work full time and also have a farm and horses to care for so my 'training time' is limited. I sell my best working prospects to obedience judges and others who have the time and dedication to give them that I do not but my focus is always to breed the best of both worlds. You ask for help and information but you come across as very smug in your own beliefs (as many novices do). It seems to me that your level of smugness may make it very hard for people to help you. Might want to drop the attitude. I hope you find someone willing to work with you. lynda Gene Workman Lynda Bragg-Workman www.falkrigiashepherds.com Lynda, Thank you for your reply! I checked your website and you have nice dogs!! But, I did notice that your one dog with advanced performance titles did not have an AKC Championship...Just sayin'! I see lots of American Champions in the all-breed or Speciality ring that have low level performance titles but how many have advanced titles? I know as the titles get higher the dogs must be really structurally solid to handle the physical demand required at the advanced level. I know. They could do it iftheir owners had the time. Well, maybe they should find the time! As I flip through the Review, I don't see any recent CH or Select dogs with advanced performance titles? Just putting a RN on a dog doesn't make it a high level working performance dog!! Regards, Sara ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================