[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Topic change - was Apology to The List
- From: falkrigia@xxxxxxx
- To: ninemaplefarm@xxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 14:37:30 -0500 (EST)
Sara,
We also bred and co-owned (from american show lines) 2 UD dogs - one
of which was High in Trial at one of our German Shepherd dog Club of
america National specialties over an entry of over 100 dogs.
several of our dogs don't have titles on one end or the other but most
do and many have both. I work full time and also have a farm and horses
to care for so my 'training time' is limited. I sell my best working
prospects to obedience judges and others who have the time and
dedication to give them that I do not but my focus is always to breed
the best of both worlds.
You ask for help and information but you come across as very smug in
your own beliefs (as many novices do). It seems to me that your level
of smugness may make it very hard for people to help you. Might want to
drop the attitude. I hope you find someone willing to work with you.
lynda
Gene Workman
Lynda Bragg-Workman
www.falkrigiashepherds.com
www.thecraftywoodchuck.com
Appaloosa Acres - an Equine and Canine facility
Old Fella Burke County Animal Rescue - training director
"I expect to pass through this world but once. Any good thing,
therefore, that I can do or any kindness that I can show to any fellow
creature, let me do it now. Let me not defer nor neglect it, for I
shall not pass this way again". du Mabillier (1773-1855)
-----Original Message-----
From: Sara Minsk <ninemaplefarm@xxxxxx>
To: falkrigia <falkrigia@xxxxxxx>
Cc: terraf <terraf@xxxxxxxxxxxx>; GStiefferm <GStiefferm@xxxxxxx>;
stormy435 <stormy435@xxxxxxxxx>; showgsd-l <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wed, Dec 7, 2011 11:08 am
Subject: Re: Topic change - was Apology to The List
Lynda,
Thank you for your reply! I checked your website and you have nice
dogs!! But, I
did notice that your one dog with advanced performance titles did not
have an
AKC Championship...Just sayin'!
I see lots of American Champions in the all-breed or Speciality ring
that have
low level performance titles but how many have advanced titles? I know
as the
titles get higher the dogs must be really structurally solid to handle
the
physical demand required at the advanced level. I know. They could do
it if
their owners had the time. Well, maybe they should find the time!
As I flip through the Review, I don't see any recent CH or Select dogs
with
advanced performance titles? Just putting a RN on a dog doesn't make it
a high
level working performance dog!!
Regards,
Sara
On Dec 7, 2011, at 10:59 AM, falkrigia@xxxxxxx wrote:
> Sara,
>
> I show in the all-breed and specialty rings, have german, czeck and
american
dogs and Champion american and german/american crosses and performance
dogs and
have shown CONSTANTLY all over for 30 years ( Holy cow :-) dating
myself ).
> I've also occasionally heard the comments you say you are hearing
'all the
time' and they were almost invariably from people who know nothing
about the
true functional movement of the german shepherd dog.
>
> My advice to you would be to find a person in your area who shows
GSDs both in
breed and in performance SUCCESSFULLY and ask them to mentor you and
listen with
an open mind and heart and learn from them. THEN educate those who say
the
things you say you hear because believe me, once you are around some
GSDs who
'have it all' you'll realize how short-sighted most of these comments
really
are.
>
> i am currently mentoring a german dog owner with very much the same
questions
you have who fell in love with my young german/american show dogs and
is going
to be breeding her awesome german bitch to my specialty Grand Champion
because
she understands the structure needed for the movement she now loves.
>
> yes, there is overangulation and temperament problems and most
everyone who
has been 'in the breed' IN ANY BREED has experienced most all of the
possible
problems at one time or another but these are actually the exceptions -
not the
rule - as you say, in my 30 years of experience. And no one
deliberately breeds
for these things who wants to be successful but young pups and young
dogs can
exhibit 'problems' that they 'grow into' as mature dogs which make them
the
incredible animals they are. Many a superb adult was a gangly, awkward,
strongly
angulated youngster.. i'd bet 'The Rock' didn't look or act at 14 like
he does
today ;-) Age is a consideration also when condemning angulation and
sometimes
temperament.
>
> yes, there are 'bad' ones but that is a fact of nature in any
species. yes,
deliberate breeding can increase that. But it can also improve the
breed.
> We just all have to be careful and know what is functionally correct
for our
breed.
> lynda
>
>
> Gene Workman
> Lynda Bragg-Workman
> www.falkrigiashepherds.com
> www.thecraftywoodchuck.com
> Appaloosa Acres - an Equine and Canine facility
> Old Fella Burke County Animal Rescue - training director
>
> "I expect to pass through this world but once. Any good thing,
therefore, that
I can do or any kindness that I can show to any fellow creature, let me
do it
now. Let me not defer nor neglect it, for I shall not pass this way
again". du
Mabillier (1773-1855)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sara Minsk <ninemaplefarm@xxxxxx>
> To: terraf <terraf@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: GStiefferm <GStiefferm@xxxxxxx>; stormy435 <stormy435@xxxxxxxxx>;
showgsd-l <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wed, Dec 7, 2011 7:53 am
> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: ADMIN: Apology to The List
>
>
> I may add...
>
> Every show I go to, EVERY single exhibitor I talk to is disgusted by
the GSD.
> EVERY single one of them regardless of what breed they have. It's
hard for me
to
> listen too but I have a hard time defending the showring dog. It's
not normal
> for dogs to walk like that. I don't remember the GSD I loved as a kid
walking
> like that. It's disgusting. Why do their legs hit the ground? They
look so
> wobbly and weird.
>
> I hear at our obedience class or at a nosework demonstration or while
out for
a
> walk.
>
> Why is it that EVERY dog person on the planet (except the specialty
GSD
breeder)
> is so sad that the breed has been ruined? Why can't fellow GSD
breeders see
it?
> In fact, at my last UKC show (I started there to get us ready for
AKC) the
judge
> even commented to me on having a "normal" GSD and it was "nice to
see". :-(
>
> It really breaks my heart.
>
> Plus, I see GSDs at shows shaking, tail tucked, looking around
frantically.
It's
> just not proper character.
>
> Now, I don't mean to come on here and have my first posts be so
negative. I am
> trying to learn. So, please help me understand .....
>
> Does anyone know when the hind end thing started? I know it wasn't
always like
> this? Does it give a bigger gait or something? Does anyone wish they
could go
> back to breeding normal dogs but maybe they think they won't win in
ring
> anymore?
>
> Does anyone else feel our show ring atmosphere is intimidating to a
new show
> ring exhibitor? Don't some of you wish people could show their own
dogs
without
> the antics?
>
> I apologize again.
>
> Sara Minsk
> On Dec 6, 2011, at 8:48 PM, Terra Fairburn wrote:
>
>> Great Post Gail. And we wonder why people are leaving the breed and
> not
>> exhibiting in the GSD ring!
>> Terra Fairburn
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <GStiefferm@xxxxxxx>
>> To: <stormy435@xxxxxxxxx>; <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 11:37 AM
>> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: ADMIN: Apology to The List
>>
>>
>>> I would certainly hope so. And I believe those listed are not on
> this
>>> list and need an APOLOGY sent to them. Sad to think who was listed
> to
>>> receive
>>> that e-mail.. ANOTHER sad day on this list.
>>>
>>>
>>> Gail
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