A beautiful dog is a beautiful dog and a good judge will find it. My group winner went on to BIS. A great Australian Shepherd name Chance. Never saw the dog before and never heard about him. They told me after the show that he is #2 herding dog in the state and group #2 at Westminster this year. My group #2 a Pulik, 3 times National winner, My B.O.B. in Boxer was #5 dog all-breeds in USA ( I did part of Working group)....My B.O.B. in GSD a great bitch, a select at the US National.The group was extremely strong. Paul adds... Seems to me that the comment "A good dog is a good dog is a good dog" can just as easily be changed to "A good Judge, is a good Judge, is a good Judge. Michel makes the point very well. I thank my lucky stars I spent so much time at AB's after GSD judging was through. Watching other breeds is such a + when it later comes to judging any dog. A case in point...years ago John Wilcox and I were sitting ringside at Roseville CA Group. I made mention to John how I appreciated a Ruby King Charles Spaniel and her motion. When the handler was in front of us, I made the same comment to him. His eyes widened and he thanked me for noticing. He told me she was an English import and most of the RKCS's being shown those days had lost the beautiful front assemblies the breed is supposed to have. He certainly made my day. I highly recommend that people stay after GSD judging and expand their knowledge by watching other breeds. That can only help to increase your knowledge of your own breed. A good dog, is a good dog, is a good dog...in any breed. I certainly think the same is true for those who judge them. Paul ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================