In a message dated 12/11/2005 12:50:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, hcj2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: My point is that I know a good GSD as do most of the Multiple Breed Judges that are constantly being maligned by some of the people on the list! It costs much time, travel, education, and money to become an AKC judge and even more of the above to add other breeds that you can judge. To become an AKC Group Judge takes approx 5 to 10 years of work after being approved for your first breed. . Without multiple breed judges there can not be a GSD herding group winner or Best in Show!!!!! Harlowe Jahelka, AKC Judge #1095 =========================================================== ========================================================== I am convinced by your post that you know A good GSD but do you know all the other herding breeds every bit as well not having bred and shown them for 10 years as you did GSDs. If not and I don't know how you could. Then this is the all breed judge that most shepherd people are complaining about you know the Beagle breeder who now has all the breeds. I have had my shepherd Lic. since 1966 and I used to accept Shepherds at all breed shows. I can remember sitting in the judges room watching a judge reading a drug store copy of a know your Cocker Spaniel and later happening to see him judging that breed. That's the all breed judge I object to. He can only harm the breed. Fred Migliore ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================