I hear FRANCE is energy independent ;-) On 9/10/07, Marc James Small <marcsmall@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > At 06:16 PM 9/10/2007, eroustom@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote: > >Let me get this straight: GW is a leftist, the Nuremburg Doctrine is > >stupid, pumping every last drop of oil from under the earth's crust is > >a plan for energy independence, and the Republican Party didn't want > >the war in Iraq even though it made it possible (twice > >consecutively)... I think you're the one who has a way with words. > > > The Nuremburg Doctrines are based on horridly > shaky legal grounds and are most questionable > though it is Politically Incorrect to question > them. One minor example: in World War I, the > Germans regularly took hostages in Belgium and > shot them when problems arose, such as the > bush-whacking of a German soldier rolling home > drunk from an evening of frivolity. The Allies > fussed about this but did nothing and, in fact, > adopted the same policy when they occupied the > Rhineland following the German surrender in > 1918. In World War II, the Germans did the same, > and a number of them got hanged or shot or given > prison terms for doing the same. The point is > that you should TELL folks when the rules have > changed. I can go on. All of the Nuremburg > Doctrines are suspect and are based on bad > law. (I do support the result of ROW v WADE but > it is bad law based on a misreading of legal > precedent.) Let us keep the system clean. I can > rattle on at some length on this, but, yes, the > Nuremburg proceedings reduced themselves to > precisely what Churchill opposed, "victors' justice". > > I never said that the Republican Party (whatever > that is) supported or encouraged or opposed the > Iraq imbroglio. I simply stated that a lot of > the senior leadership of the Party opposed the > Iraq intervention. George W Bush is his own > person and he is the Chief Executive, so he has a > place of his own. It is not fair to damn the > Republican Party with the defalcations of the > Bushes, any more than it is to damn the Democrat > Party for the many dumb statements of any of that Party's senior officials. > > Energy Independence for the US reduces itself in > the end to either reducing US dependence on oil > or to improving our internal sources for > petroleum. You pays your money and you takes > your choice. There simply is not a third > choice. Wishful thinking can take us far but to > no avail. I see no immediate method for reducing > US dependence on oil other than doing as the > Europeans have done for generations by clamping > huge taxes on each gallon ("liter") of gasoline > sold, which will force USians to plan ahead each > trip they take. Or we can increase the US output > of oil. Can you find a third method for solving the problem? > > A temporary (100 years or so) solution would be > to have the US seize all of the Arab oil fields, > surround them with minefields and barbed wire > barricades and the like, and have the US Army's > Corps of Engineers run them. Tell OPEC they can > set the price within reason, but then refuse to > pay the profits over to dictatorships but to > place the profits in trust for the peoples of > those nations. It could be done, but it would be > nasty, and it would lead to the US becoming a > "pariah nation", albeit it would support us in > our cheap gasoline. I am not advocating this: I > am simply point out the reality that it is a feasible course of action. > > Marc > > > msmall@xxxxxxxxxxxx > Cha robh bàs fir gun ghràs fir! > > --- > Rollei List > > - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > - Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' > in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org > > - Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with > 'unsubscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org > > - Online, searchable archives are available at > //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list > > -- Be Just and Fear Not --- Rollei List - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx - Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Online, searchable archives are available at //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list