[rollei_list] Re: Grossly OT: California and Politics

Alan, while I think that modern Liberalism is a bit
like the definition I threw out earlier (it is a good
line), I do agree with your historical analysis about
Marx, Bismarck (please note spelling) and all.  

I suppose that is where the term 'Limousine Liberals"
came about.  About the up-market liberals throwing out
lots of crumbs but always OPM (Other People's Money). 
So the "few coins" are infinitesimally small of
theirs, and mainly from others.

John

--- Allen Zak <azak@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> 
> On Sep 29, 2005, at 1:43 PM, John Jensen wrote:
> 
> > You have an interesting history of experiences
> with
> > communism.  Now, to provoke some controversy here,
> I
> > will repeat a good line - "Communism is nothing
> but
> > Liberalism in a hurry."
> 
> Provocation accepted.
> 
> That formulation assumes that "Communism" and
> "Liberalism" are part of 
> the same political/economic continuum.  However, the
> various iterations 
> of socialism have nothing to do with "liberalism,"
> which is part of a 
> capitalist ideological arc that includes
> "conservatism."  Both isms 
> support private accumulation while socialism does
> not.
> 
> Grossly simplified, conservatism consists of: "Grab
> all you can and 
> smash anyone who gets in the way."  Liberalism is
> more like "Grab all 
> you can and throw a few coins at the rabble to buy
> some social peace."
> The institutions of state welfare sometimes resemble
> socialism but are 
> usually established for other reasons.  For example,
> Europe's first 
> social security system, advocated by Karl Marx, was
> launched by Otto 
> von Bismark, who was neither liberal nor socialist.
> 
> I hope this helps.
> 
> Allen Zak
> 
> 
> 
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