[rollei_list] Re: Grossly OT: California and Politics
- From: John Jensen <jwjensen356@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 19:30:47 -0700 (PDT)
Alan, while I think that modern Liberalism is a bit
like the definition I threw out earlier (it is a good
line), I do agree with your historical analysis about
Marx, Bismarck (please note spelling) and all.
I suppose that is where the term 'Limousine Liberals"
came about. About the up-market liberals throwing out
lots of crumbs but always OPM (Other People's Money).
So the "few coins" are infinitesimally small of
theirs, and mainly from others.
John
--- Allen Zak <azak@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> On Sep 29, 2005, at 1:43 PM, John Jensen wrote:
>
> > You have an interesting history of experiences
> with
> > communism. Now, to provoke some controversy here,
> I
> > will repeat a good line - "Communism is nothing
> but
> > Liberalism in a hurry."
>
> Provocation accepted.
>
> That formulation assumes that "Communism" and
> "Liberalism" are part of
> the same political/economic continuum. However, the
> various iterations
> of socialism have nothing to do with "liberalism,"
> which is part of a
> capitalist ideological arc that includes
> "conservatism." Both isms
> support private accumulation while socialism does
> not.
>
> Grossly simplified, conservatism consists of: "Grab
> all you can and
> smash anyone who gets in the way." Liberalism is
> more like "Grab all
> you can and throw a few coins at the rabble to buy
> some social peace."
> The institutions of state welfare sometimes resemble
> socialism but are
> usually established for other reasons. For example,
> Europe's first
> social security system, advocated by Karl Marx, was
> launched by Otto
> von Bismark, who was neither liberal nor socialist.
>
> I hope this helps.
>
> Allen Zak
>
>
>
>
>
>
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