[rollei_list] Re: Grossly OT: California and Politics

  • From: Jerry Lehrer <jerryleh@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 18:33:10 -0700

Al,

Now when Marc chimes in, this discussion will become
interesting!

Jerry

Allen Zak wrote:

> On Sep 29, 2005, at 1:43 PM, John Jensen wrote:
>
> > You have an interesting history of experiences with
> > communism.  Now, to provoke some controversy here, I
> > will repeat a good line - "Communism is nothing but
> > Liberalism in a hurry."
>
> Provocation accepted.
>
> That formulation assumes that "Communism" and "Liberalism" are part of
> the same political/economic continuum.  However, the various iterations
> of socialism have nothing to do with "liberalism," which is part of a
> capitalist ideological arc that includes "conservatism."  Both isms
> support private accumulation while socialism does not.
>
> Grossly simplified, conservatism consists of: "Grab all you can and
> smash anyone who gets in the way."  Liberalism is more like "Grab all
> you can and throw a few coins at the rabble to buy some social peace."
> The institutions of state welfare sometimes resemble socialism but are
> usually established for other reasons.  For example, Europe's first
> social security system, advocated by Karl Marx, was launched by Otto
> von Bismark, who was neither liberal nor socialist.
>
> I hope this helps.
>
> Allen Zak
>
>
>
>
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