[rollei_list] Re: About some F "white face"... conversions?
- From: Carlos Manuel Freaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 14:54:50 +0000 (GMT)
My sources are the best that you can find about Rollei
cameras, one of them is the factory and the other is
an engineer that worked for Rollei during 36 years
until the '90s, he was Rollei cameras designer and
Technical manager, BTW Rollei production was very
complex along the years and these sources could have
some omissions but these omissions are scarce, very
rares, the Rollei Factory manual includes the 2.8F and
3.5F without lightmeter, for example, anyway I insist
that I quoted cameras that show more than one feature
out of the factory specs, and BTW, after these cameras
has been more than 30 years in the market, I consider
these two sources more realiables than eBay.-+
All the best
Carlos
--- Shannon Hong <triode12@xxxxxxxxxxx> escribió:
> Hi Carlos,
>
> You don't have to apologise, I do not doubt the
> authenticity of my WF
> Xenotars as I have seen numourous others like them
> for sale on Ebay over a 7
> year period -some like new in box. They cannot have
> all been doctored.
>
> I was just disputing the accuracy of your sources.
>
> Shannon
>
> >From: Carlos Manuel Freaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Reply-To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: [rollei_list] Re: About some F "white
> face"... conversions?
> >Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:31:02 +0000 (GMT)
> >
> >I'm sorry if I caused you a doubt about your
> cameras
> >Shannon, perhaps there were white face versions
> >without 12/24 film counter and the Rollei Factory
> >Repair Manual doesn't mention this version and
> perhaps
> >there also is an omission in Prochnow about it,
> it's
> >possible very much, however Planar or Xenotar were
> not
> >an option for the 3.5F "white face", Rollei
> >manufactured the 3.5F provided with Xenotar 3.5/75
> >lens exclusively from 1966 from serial 2815000; and
> >regarding the Planar 2.8/80 white face, the higher
> >serial number could be 2.8F 2479999, afterwards
> from
> >serial 2950000 they were provided with Xenotar
> 2.8/80
> >only. Since I considered that could exist F white
> >faces without the 12/24 film counter for some
> reason,
> >I chose cameras that show other out of
> specifications
> >features too like the two cameras I have quoted,
> and
> >BTW if a camera has strap holders out of specs
> changed
> >after its original manufacture, or the original
> lens
> >was changed, it's not an original camera talking
> about
> >a collector perspective, these cameras cause to me
> >serious doubts about if they are 100% originals,
> but
> >they are only doubts...
> >
> >All the best
> >Carlos
> > --- Shannon Hong <triode12@xxxxxxxxxxx> escribió:
> >
> > > Hi Carlos,
> > >
> > > I seriously doubt that all white face 2.8Fs or
> 3.5Fs
> > > came with 12/24
> > > switches as standard that is why there are quite
> a
> > > few that have just the
> > > newer winder side panel with the raised platform
> > > where the switch usually
> > > resides. I believe the 12/24 functionality was
> an
> > > option as was the choice
> > > of a Planar or Xenotar lens. That is why the
> 12/24
> > > switch is such a rarity
> > > on any 2.8F (be they White Face or no).
> > >
> > > I do agree that most of the White face 2.8Fs
> with
> > > Planar lenses I've come
> > > across (on Ebay) are usually from the 240000 s/n
> > > block rather than the later
> > > 290000 block. I don't believe I've ever seen a
> white
> > > face 2.8F Planar in the
> > > 290000 block of numbers. While I have seen 3.5F
> WF
> > > planars in the 290000
> > > block.
> > >
> > > I own two late model (290000 block) Xenotar
> white
> > > face units which don't
> > > have 12/24 switches. And a new in box Planar
> white
> > > face 12/24 unit in the
> > > 240000 s/n block. As far as I know, my Xenotar
> units
> > > were not previously
> > > tampered with.
> > >
> > > rgds
> > > Shannon
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: Carlos Manuel Freaza
> <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >Reply-To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >Subject: [rollei_list] Re: About some F "white
> > > face"... conversions?
> > > >Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 11:38:49 +0000 (GMT)
> > > >
> > > >Hi Shannon:
> > > > I was talking on the basis of the
> two
> > > >sources I mentioned, if the sources are wrong,
> I'm
> > > >wrong, if the sources are right, I'm right, I
> > > talked
> > > >about an assumption, not about a certainty.
> > > >The strap holders semi-circles lack is one of
> the
> > > well
> > > >known external original "white face"
> > > features(Rollei
> > > >repair manual and Report II photograph caption
> page
> > > >16-384 ), and all the "white faces" that I saw
> > > >respecting 100% the specs had 12/24 film
> counter
> > > (the
> > > >lever working as you described), a visible
> switch
> > > with
> > > >the number 24 in white background and to be
> more
> > > >precise, this visible 220 film counter lever
> was
> > > >provided from the # 2442134 on 1965, before the
> > > white
> > > >face production .
> > > >I could be wrong, but I quoted two cameras that
> > > don't
> > > >have at least two features corresponding to the
> > > >original F "white face" specs.
> > > >For example, the following camera is 100%
> within
> > > the
> > > >original "white face" specs:
> > >
> >
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ROLLEIFLEX-2-8F-Xenotar-80mm-Lens-White-Face-12-24_W0QQitemZ160010032096QQihZ006QQcategoryZ3354QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
> > > >
> > > >or look for the item 160010032096
> > > >
> > > >Note that this camera has the serial number
> 2,8F
> > > >2952374 and has Xenotar lens, the camera in
> Co....
> > > has
> > > >the serial number 2950286 and Planar lens,
> > > according
> > > >Prochnow the 2.8F was provided only with the
> > > Xenotar
> > > >lens from 1973 and the # 2950000... and if you
> want
> > > an
> > > >example about a 2.8F white face 100% within the
> > > >original specs for the "white face" with Planar
> > > 2.8/80
> > > >lens there is one on eBay right now, it has
> the
> > > >#2478334, lower than the 2.8F in Co... and it
> has
> > > >12/24 film counter and it does not have the
> > > >semi-circles in the strap holders..., look for
> the
> > > >item 130010327970 and you'll see this 100%
> "white
> > > >face" Planar being older have evident
> differences
> > > with
> > > >the camara at Co... and it's identical except
> for
> > > the
> > > >lens regarding the other 2.8F 100% white face
> > > Xenotar
> > > >I quoted above.
> > > >
> > > >All the best
> > > >Carlos
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >+--- Shannon Hong <triode12@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> escribió:
>
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