[rollei_list] Re: About some F "white face"... conversions? Panel

Shannon, I have looked for a detailed parts
description in the Rollei Factory Manual and I have
found that from 1965 there is a transport crank side
panel for 220 film counter and from 1966 this panel
has a verion without 220 film counter (not shown in
the manual but mentioned), and then there were F
models with and without 220 film counter from 1966 as
I guessed and wrote and like you wrote too, but the
other specs are like I wrote and the two cameras I
mentioned are out of the specs anyway.-

All the best
Carlos     
 --- Carlos Manuel Freaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
escribió:

> My sources are the best that you can find about
> Rollei
> cameras, one of them is the factory and the other is
> an engineer that worked for Rollei during 36 years
> until the '90s, he was Rollei cameras designer and
> Technical manager, BTW Rollei production was very
> complex along the years and these sources could have
> some omissions but these omissions are scarce, very
> rares, the Rollei Factory manual includes the 2.8F
> and
> 3.5F without lightmeter, for example, anyway I
> insist
> that I quoted cameras that show more than one
> feature
> out of the factory specs, and BTW, after these
> cameras
> has been more than 30 years in the market, I
> consider
> these two sources more realiables than eBay.-+
> 
> All the best
> Carlos 
>  --- Shannon Hong <triode12@xxxxxxxxxxx> escribió:
> 
> > Hi Carlos,
> > 
> > You don't have to apologise, I do not doubt the
> > authenticity of my WF 
> > Xenotars as I have seen numourous others like them
> > for sale on Ebay over a 7 
> > year period -some like new in box. They cannot
> have
> > all been doctored.
> > 
> > I was just disputing the accuracy of your sources.
> > 
> > Shannon
> > 
> > >From: Carlos Manuel Freaza
> <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >Reply-To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >Subject: [rollei_list] Re: About some F "white
> > face"... conversions?
> > >Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:31:02 +0000 (GMT)
> > >
> > >I'm sorry if I caused you a doubt about your
> > cameras
> > >Shannon, perhaps there were white face versions
> > >without 12/24 film counter and the Rollei Factory
> > >Repair Manual doesn't mention this version and
> > perhaps
> > >there also is an omission in Prochnow about it,
> > it's
> > >possible very much, however Planar or Xenotar
> were
> > not
> > >an option for the 3.5F "white face", Rollei
> > >manufactured the 3.5F provided with Xenotar
> 3.5/75
> > >lens exclusively from 1966 from serial 2815000;
> and
> > >regarding the Planar 2.8/80 white face, the
> higher
> > >serial number could be 2.8F 2479999, afterwards
> > from
> > >serial 2950000 they were provided with Xenotar
> > 2.8/80
> > >only. Since I considered that could exist F white
> > >faces without the 12/24 film counter for some
> > reason,
> > >I chose cameras that show other out of
> > specifications
> > >features too like the two cameras I have quoted,
> > and
> > >BTW if a camera has strap holders out of specs
> > changed
> > >after its original manufacture, or the original
> > lens
> > >was changed, it's not an original camera talking
> > about
> > >a collector perspective, these cameras cause to
> me
> > >serious doubts about if they are 100% originals,
> > but
> > >they are only doubts...
> > >
> > >All the best
> > >Carlos
> > >  --- Shannon Hong <triode12@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> escribió:
> > >
> > > > Hi Carlos,
> > > >
> > > > I seriously doubt that all white face 2.8Fs or
> > 3.5Fs
> > > > came with 12/24
> > > > switches as standard that is why there are
> quite
> > a
> > > > few that have just the
> > > > newer winder side panel with the raised
> platform
> > > > where the switch usually
> > > > resides. I believe the 12/24 functionality was
> > an
> > > > option as was the choice
> > > > of a Planar or Xenotar lens. That is why the
> > 12/24
> > > > switch is such a rarity
> > > > on any 2.8F (be they White Face or no).
> > > >
> > > > I do agree that most of the White face 2.8Fs
> > with
> > > > Planar lenses I've come
> > > > across (on Ebay) are usually from the 240000
> s/n
> > > > block rather than the later
> > > > 290000 block. I don't believe I've ever seen a
> > white
> > > > face 2.8F Planar in the
> > > > 290000 block of numbers. While I have seen
> 3.5F
> > WF
> > > > planars in the 290000
> > > > block.
> > > >
> > > > I own two late model (290000 block) Xenotar
> > white
> > > > face units which don't
> > > > have 12/24 switches. And a new in box Planar
> > white
> > > > face 12/24 unit in the
> > > > 240000 s/n block. As far as I know, my Xenotar
> > units
> > > > were not previously
> > > > tampered with.
> > > >
> > > > rgds
> > > > Shannon
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: Carlos Manuel Freaza
> > <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > >Reply-To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > >To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > >Subject: [rollei_list] Re: About some F
> "white
> > > > face"... conversions?
> > > > >Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 11:38:49 +0000 (GMT)
> > > > >
> > > > >Hi Shannon:
> > > > >             I was talking on the basis of
> the
> > two
> > > > >sources I mentioned, if the sources are
> wrong,
> > I'm
> > > > >wrong, if the sources are right, I'm right, I
> > > > talked
> > > > >about an assumption, not about a certainty.
> > > > >The strap holders semi-circles lack is one of
> > the
> > > > well
> > > > >known external original "white face"
> > > > features(Rollei
> > > > >repair manual and Report II photograph
> caption
> > page
> > > > >16-384 ), and all the "white faces" that I
> saw
> > > > >respecting 100% the specs had 12/24 film
> > counter
> > > > (the
> > > > >lever working as you described), a visible
> > switch
> > > > with
> > > > >the number 24 in white background and to be
> > more
> > > > >precise, this visible 220 film counter lever
> > was
> > > > >provided from the # 2442134 on 1965, before
> the
> > > > white
> > > > >face production .
> > > > >I could be wrong, but I quoted two cameras
> that
> > > > don't
> > > > >have at least two features corresponding to
> the
> > > > >original F "white face" specs.
> > > > >For example, the following camera is 100%
> > within
> > > > the
> > > > >original "white face" specs:
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ROLLEIFLEX-2-8F-Xenotar-80mm-Lens-White-Face-12-24_W0QQitemZ160010032096QQihZ006QQcategoryZ3354QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
> > > > >
> > > > >or look for the item 160010032096
> 
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