[rollei_list] Re: About some F "white face"... conversions?
- From: Carlos Manuel Freaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:31:02 +0000 (GMT)
I'm sorry if I caused you a doubt about your cameras
Shannon, perhaps there were white face versions
without 12/24 film counter and the Rollei Factory
Repair Manual doesn't mention this version and perhaps
there also is an omission in Prochnow about it, it's
possible very much, however Planar or Xenotar were not
an option for the 3.5F "white face", Rollei
manufactured the 3.5F provided with Xenotar 3.5/75
lens exclusively from 1966 from serial 2815000; and
regarding the Planar 2.8/80 white face, the higher
serial number could be 2.8F 2479999, afterwards from
serial 2950000 they were provided with Xenotar 2.8/80
only. Since I considered that could exist F white
faces without the 12/24 film counter for some reason,
I chose cameras that show other out of specifications
features too like the two cameras I have quoted, and
BTW if a camera has strap holders out of specs changed
after its original manufacture, or the original lens
was changed, it's not an original camera talking about
a collector perspective, these cameras cause to me
serious doubts about if they are 100% originals, but
they are only doubts...
All the best
Carlos
--- Shannon Hong <triode12@xxxxxxxxxxx> escribió:
> Hi Carlos,
>
> I seriously doubt that all white face 2.8Fs or 3.5Fs
> came with 12/24
> switches as standard that is why there are quite a
> few that have just the
> newer winder side panel with the raised platform
> where the switch usually
> resides. I believe the 12/24 functionality was an
> option as was the choice
> of a Planar or Xenotar lens. That is why the 12/24
> switch is such a rarity
> on any 2.8F (be they White Face or no).
>
> I do agree that most of the White face 2.8Fs with
> Planar lenses I've come
> across (on Ebay) are usually from the 240000 s/n
> block rather than the later
> 290000 block. I don't believe I've ever seen a white
> face 2.8F Planar in the
> 290000 block of numbers. While I have seen 3.5F WF
> planars in the 290000
> block.
>
> I own two late model (290000 block) Xenotar white
> face units which don't
> have 12/24 switches. And a new in box Planar white
> face 12/24 unit in the
> 240000 s/n block. As far as I know, my Xenotar units
> were not previously
> tampered with.
>
> rgds
> Shannon
>
>
> >From: Carlos Manuel Freaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Reply-To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: [rollei_list] Re: About some F "white
> face"... conversions?
> >Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 11:38:49 +0000 (GMT)
> >
> >Hi Shannon:
> > I was talking on the basis of the two
> >sources I mentioned, if the sources are wrong, I'm
> >wrong, if the sources are right, I'm right, I
> talked
> >about an assumption, not about a certainty.
> >The strap holders semi-circles lack is one of the
> well
> >known external original "white face"
> features(Rollei
> >repair manual and Report II photograph caption page
> >16-384 ), and all the "white faces" that I saw
> >respecting 100% the specs had 12/24 film counter
> (the
> >lever working as you described), a visible switch
> with
> >the number 24 in white background and to be more
> >precise, this visible 220 film counter lever was
> >provided from the # 2442134 on 1965, before the
> white
> >face production .
> >I could be wrong, but I quoted two cameras that
> don't
> >have at least two features corresponding to the
> >original F "white face" specs.
> >For example, the following camera is 100% within
> the
> >original "white face" specs:
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ROLLEIFLEX-2-8F-Xenotar-80mm-Lens-White-Face-12-24_W0QQitemZ160010032096QQihZ006QQcategoryZ3354QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
> >
> >or look for the item 160010032096
> >
> >Note that this camera has the serial number 2,8F
> >2952374 and has Xenotar lens, the camera in Co....
> has
> >the serial number 2950286 and Planar lens,
> according
> >Prochnow the 2.8F was provided only with the
> Xenotar
> >lens from 1973 and the # 2950000... and if you want
> an
> >example about a 2.8F white face 100% within the
> >original specs for the "white face" with Planar
> 2.8/80
> >lens there is one on eBay right now, it has the
> >#2478334, lower than the 2.8F in Co... and it has
> >12/24 film counter and it does not have the
> >semi-circles in the strap holders..., look for the
> >item 130010327970 and you'll see this 100% "white
> >face" Planar being older have evident differences
> with
> >the camara at Co... and it's identical except for
> the
> >lens regarding the other 2.8F 100% white face
> Xenotar
> >I quoted above.
> >
> >All the best
> >Carlos
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >+--- Shannon Hong <triode12@xxxxxxxxxxx> escribió:
> >
> > > Hi Carlos,
> > >
> > > What do you mean by 120/220 film counter? Do you
> > > mean the 12/24 switch
> > > instead? AFAIK, all F film counters only go to
> 12
> > > and are reset by the 12/24
> > > switch to 0 to allow for another 12 shots on 220
> > > film.
> > >
> > > And not all white face Rolleiflexes came with a
> > > 12/24 switch. The example on
> > > the collectcamera site looks to me to have the
> > > correct and later F right
> > > side panel with the space for a 12/24 switch.
> > >
> > > As to the semi-circle strap holders, perhaps
> those
> > > have been changed at some
> > > point in time but it also possible that Rollei
> used
> > > whatever parts were
> > > available on hand during manufacture(which may
> have
> > > included old spares).
> > >
> > > Shannon
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: Carlos Manuel Freaza
> <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >Reply-To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >Subject: [rollei_list] About some F "white
> face"...
> > > conversions?
> > > >Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 03:35:24 +0000 (GMT)
> > > >
> > > >According the Rollei Factory Repair Manual and
> the
> > > >Rollei Report II from Claus Prochnow, the 12/24
> > > >120/220 film counter was introduced in the 3.5F
> and
> > > >2.8F models on 1965, and the new "white face"
> front
> > > >panel on 1970 according that Manual and on 1971
> > > >according Prochnow ( it appeared in some list
> > > prices
> > > >on 1971 and then the slight difference), anyway
> all
> > > F
> > > >"white faces" cameras are provided with 12/24
> > > 120/220
> > > >film counter and regarding the 3.5F all "white
> face
> > > "
> > > >cameras are provided with Xenotar 3.5/75 lenses
> and
> > > a
> > > >few 2.8F "white face" cameras were provided
> with
> > > >Planar 2.8/80 lenses, afterwards the Xenotar
> 2.8/80
> > > >was also used only.
> > > >Along several years I have seen some "white
> faces"
> > > >cameras out of the specifications mentioned
> above,
> > > I
> > > >think these cameras have something strange
> because
> > > >most of them also have other features out of
> specs,
> > > >i.e. a supposed "white face" 3.5F without 12/24
> > > film
> > > >counter and Planar 3.5/75 lens or a 2.8F also
> > > without
> > > >12/24 film counter and the semi-circle in the
> strap
> > > >holders, etc., then I suspect -only suspect-
> these
> > > >strange cameras were "converted" into "white
> face"
> > > >cameras using a front cover panel spare part
> and
> > > they
>
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