[rollei_list] Re: About some F "white face"... conversions?
- From: Carlos Manuel Freaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 01:05:33 +0000 (GMT)
Hi Lance:
Thanks for the info, my "search" is about to
learn the differences between a true "whiteface" and a
false "whiteface"... :-)
On November 1966 was manufactured the first 2.8F
without the means in the body to receive the
"Planglass", it's from the 2.8F # 2,455,000 and then I
think your camera was manufactured on 1967.
Really there is no a significant technical difference
between your camera and a 2.8F "white face", like
there is no a significant technical difference between
the GX last version and the FX.-
All the best
Carlos
--- Choiliefan@xxxxxxx escribió:
> Carlos:
> My 2.8F 12/24 ser# 24697XX has the newer NON-half
> moon strap lugs but is NOT
> a white face model.
> I've always suspected it was a late example since
> both the hood and prism
> have US distributor "Honeywell" printed below Rollei
> on the name plates.
> The 2.8 Planar is 4876049.
> Hope this information is useful in your search. My
> limited research has
> never revealed the year this camera was produced nor
> the years Honeywell was
> distributor.
> Today, fighting for truth, justice and the last
> slice of pizza!
> Lance
> Selma, NC 27576
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> In a message dated 7/31/2006 8:53:33 AM Eastern
> Standard Time,
> cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
> Thanks John, your info is very interesting, I have
> seen a lot of F white face along the years, the
> first
> one was a new 2.8F white face that my father's
> partner
> bought on 1974 during a visit to Europe, I shot with
> that camera, and I saw even more thanks to Internet,
> the e-commerce and auction sites in different
> countries, this is the second time in few days that
> I
> know about an F "white face" with semi-circle in the
> strap holders.
> The 2.8F I mentioned above did not have the 12/24
> switch lever and then I guessed there was a version
> without it; finally I found in the Rollei Factory
> Manual written version(the PDF version is difficult
> to
> handle in the PC) the exploded view about the F
> panel
> with and without 12/24 switch, they are identical
> except for the switch and the perforation for the
> switch lever. My 3.5F has the semi-circle but it
> also
> has the previous film transport crank side
> panel version.
> The first section of the Rollei Factory Repair
> Manual
> shows the 3.5F and 2.8F "white face" versions
> without
> the semi-circles in the strap holders, however it's
> possible that some earlier "white face" cameras
> without the 12/24 external switch lever were
> provided
> with the "mond" in the strap holders according your
> camera and the 2.8F in Co... show, but for my case
> they only are two cameras for at least thirty F
> "white
> face".-
>
> All the best
> Carlos
> --- John Wild <JWild@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> escribió:
>
> > Carlos,
> >
> > I have a White Face 3.5F which does not have the
> > 120/220 option. I have owned it for 20 years.
> Hence,
> > I would assume it is original because it would
> have
> > been sold before sellers realised that they could
> > get more for a White Face than a standard 3.5F. It
> > has the 'mound' in the side plate that would take
> > the option lever.
> >
> > John
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf
> > Of Carlos Manuel Freaza
> > Sent: 30 July 2006 04:46
> > To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [rollei_list] About some F "white
> face"...
> > conversions?
> >
> >
> > According the Rollei Factory Repair Manual and the
> > Rollei Report II from Claus Prochnow, the 12/24
> > 120/220 film counter was introduced in the 3.5F
> and
> > 2.8F models on 1965, and the new "white face"
> front
> > panel on 1970 according that Manual and on 1971
> > according Prochnow ( it appeared in some list
> prices
> > on 1971 and then the slight difference), anyway
> all
> > F "white faces" cameras are provided with 12/24
> > 120/220 film counter and regarding the 3.5F all
> > "white face "
> > cameras are provided with Xenotar 3.5/75 lenses
> and
> > a few 2.8F "white face" cameras were provided with
> > Planar 2.8/80 lenses, afterwards the Xenotar
> 2.8/80
> > was also used only.
> > Along several years I have seen some "white faces"
> > cameras out of the specifications mentioned above,
> I
> > think these cameras have something strange because
> > most of them also have other features out of
> specs,
> > i.e. a supposed "white face" 3.5F without 12/24
> film
> > counter and Planar 3.5/75 lens or a 2.8F also
> > without
> > 12/24 film counter and the semi-circle in the
> strap
> > holders, etc., then I suspect -only suspect- these
> > strange cameras were "converted" into "white face"
> > cameras using a front cover panel spare part and
> > they are sold like "white face" cameras increasing
> > their prices. I have seen some samples again this
> > afternoon, I'm not saying that the current seller
> > made the modification, perhaps he believes it's an
> > original "white face" really, but IMO they are not
> > original "white faces", it's a simple assumption
> of
> > course, for
> > example:
> >
>
http://www.collectcamera.com/pagesrollei/rolleicam/28f286c.htm
> >
> > The "white face" quoted above does not have 12/24
> > film counter, it seems to have the Planglass
> holder
> > in the camera body and the strap-holders have
> > semi-circles, these features are out of the
> original
> > 2.8F "white face" specs, it seems to be an older
> > camera with newer "white face" front panel cover.
> > Other example, look for the item 200010295772 on
> > eBay; this 3.5F "white face" has Planar 3.5/75
> lens
> > and does not have 12/24 film counter and the
> > photographs don't show the camera body without the
> > back to see if it is prepared to receive the
> > Planglass; the Planar lens and the 12/24 film
> > counter lack are out of specs for an original
> "white
> > face" model.
> > Conclusion: Be careful buying a "white face"
> > camera.-
> >
> > All the best
> > Carlos
> >
> >
>
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