[rollei_list] Re: About some F "white face"... conversions?

  • From: Nick Roberts <nickbroberts@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 06:40:16 +0000 (GMT)

My 2.8F Whiteface is 2955336. It has the superior Xenotar, no half-moon 
hangers, and no 12/24 switch. I have no idea which side of the argument that 
helps, as I've not read it all!

Nick

----- Original Message ----
From: Carlos Manuel Freaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2006 4:50:43 AM
Subject: [rollei_list] Re: About some F "white face"... conversions?

Lance, to be more precise your 2.8F version runs from
2.8F #2455000 to #2479999 and was manufactured from
November 1966 to 1973 and then your camera is close to
the 2.8F "whiteface" 1970/71 and the fact your camera
does not have the half-moon in the strap holders
perhaps could be significant, at least it's
interesting data to me. It's a pity there is no data
about the exact first 2.8F "white face" serial number,
however it's a fact it was a Planar model within the
same block than your camera and it's also very
interesting your camera has Planar lens too, it means
your info agrees 100% with Rollei factory and Prochnow
data.-

All the best
Carlos

 --- Carlos Manuel Freaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
escribió:

> Hi Lance:
>           Thanks for the info, my "search" is about
> to
> learn the differences between a true "whiteface" and
> a
> false "whiteface"... :-)
> On November 1966 was manufactured the first 2.8F
> without the means in the body to receive the
> "Planglass", it's from the 2.8F # 2,455,000 and then
> I
> think your camera was manufactured on 1967.
> Really there is no a significant technical
> difference
> between your camera and a 2.8F "white face", like
> there is no a significant technical difference
> between
> the GX last version and the FX.-
> 
> All the best
> Carlos
> 
> 
>  --- Choiliefan@xxxxxxx escribió:
> 
> > Carlos:
> > My 2.8F 12/24 ser# 24697XX has the newer NON-half
> > moon strap lugs but is NOT 
> > a white face model.
> > I've always suspected it was a late example since
> > both the hood and prism 
> > have US distributor "Honeywell" printed below
> Rollei
> > on the name plates.
> > The 2.8 Planar is 4876049.
> > Hope this information is useful in your search. 
> My
> > limited research has 
> > never revealed the year this camera was produced
> nor
> > the years Honeywell was 
> > distributor.
> > Today, fighting for truth, justice and the last
> > slice of pizza!
> > Lance
> > Selma, NC 27576
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > In a message dated 7/31/2006 8:53:33 AM Eastern
> > Standard Time, 
> > cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
> > Thanks John, your info is very interesting, I have
> > seen a lot of F white face along the years, the
> > first
> > one was a new 2.8F white face that my father's
> > partner
> > bought on 1974 during a visit to Europe, I shot
> with
> > that camera, and I saw even more thanks to
> Internet,
> > the e-commerce and auction sites in different
> > countries, this is the second time in few days
> that
> > I
> > know about an F "white face" with semi-circle in
> the
> > strap holders.
> > The 2.8F I mentioned above did not have the 12/24
> > switch lever and then I guessed there was a
> version
> > without it; finally I found in the Rollei Factory
> > Manual written version(the PDF version is
> difficult
> > to
> > handle in the PC) the exploded view about the F
> > panel
> > with and without 12/24 switch, they are identical
> > except for the switch and the perforation for the
> > switch lever. My 3.5F has the semi-circle but it
> > also
> > has the previous film transport crank side
> > panel version.
> > The first section of the Rollei Factory Repair
> > Manual
> > shows the 3.5F and 2.8F "white face" versions
> > without
> > the semi-circles in the strap holders, however
> it's
> > possible that some earlier "white face" cameras
> > without the 12/24 external switch lever were
> > provided
> > with the "mond" in the strap holders according
> your
> > camera and the 2.8F in Co... show, but for my case
> > they only are two cameras for at least thirty F
> > "white
> > face".-
> > 
> > All the best
> > Carlos     
> > --- John Wild <JWild@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > escribió:
> > 
> > > Carlos,
> > > 
> > > I have a White Face 3.5F which does not have the
> > > 120/220 option. I have owned it for 20 years.
> > Hence,
> > > I would assume it is original because it would
> > have
> > > been sold before sellers realised that they
> could
> > > get more for a White Face than a standard 3.5F.
> It
> > > has the 'mound' in the side plate that would
> take
> > > the option lever.
> > > 
> > > John
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > Behalf
> > > Of Carlos Manuel Freaza
> > > Sent: 30 July 2006 04:46
> > > To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [rollei_list] About some F "white
> > face"...
> > > conversions?
> > > 
> > >  
> > > According the Rollei Factory Repair Manual and
> the
> > > Rollei Report II from Claus Prochnow, the 12/24
> > > 120/220 film counter was introduced in the 3.5F
> > and
> > > 2.8F models on 1965, and the new "white face"
> > front
> > > panel on 1970 according that Manual and on 1971
> > > according Prochnow ( it appeared in some list
> > prices
> > > on 1971 and then the slight difference), anyway
> > all
> > > F "white faces" cameras are provided with 12/24
> > > 120/220 film counter and regarding the 3.5F all
> > > "white face "
> > > cameras are provided with Xenotar 3.5/75 lenses
> > and
> > > a few 2.8F "white face" cameras were provided
> with
> > > Planar 2.8/80 lenses, afterwards the Xenotar
> > 2.8/80
> > > was also used only.
> > > Along several years I have seen some "white
> faces"
> > > cameras out of the specifications mentioned
> above,
> > I
> > > think these cameras have something strange
> because
> > > most of them also have other features out of
> > specs,
> > > i.e. a supposed "white face" 3.5F without 12/24
> > film
> > > counter and Planar 3.5/75 lens or a 2.8F also
> > > without
> > > 12/24 film counter and the semi-circle in the
> > strap
> > > holders, etc., then I suspect -only suspect-
> these
> > > strange cameras were "converted" into "white
> face"
> > > cameras using a front cover panel spare part and
> > > they are sold like "white face" cameras
> increasing
> > > their prices. I have seen some samples again
> this
> > > afternoon, I'm not saying that the current
> seller
> > > made the modification, perhaps he believes it's
> an
> > > original "white face" really, but IMO they are
> not
> > > original "white faces", it's a simple assumption
> > of
> > > course, for
> > > example:
> > >
> >
>
http://www.collectcamera.com/pagesrollei/rolleicam/28f286c.htm
> > > 
> > > The "white face" quoted above does not have
> 12/24
> > > film counter, it seems to have the Planglass
> > holder
> > > in the camera body and the strap-holders have
> > > semi-circles, these features are out of the
> > original
> > > 2.8F "white face" specs, it seems to be an older
> > > camera with newer "white face" front panel
> cover.
> > > Other example, look for the item 200010295772 on
> 
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