My 2.8F Whiteface is 2955336. It has the superior Xenotar, no half-moon hangers, and no 12/24 switch. I have no idea which side of the argument that helps, as I've not read it all! Nick ----- Original Message ---- From: Carlos Manuel Freaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2006 4:50:43 AM Subject: [rollei_list] Re: About some F "white face"... conversions? Lance, to be more precise your 2.8F version runs from 2.8F #2455000 to #2479999 and was manufactured from November 1966 to 1973 and then your camera is close to the 2.8F "whiteface" 1970/71 and the fact your camera does not have the half-moon in the strap holders perhaps could be significant, at least it's interesting data to me. It's a pity there is no data about the exact first 2.8F "white face" serial number, however it's a fact it was a Planar model within the same block than your camera and it's also very interesting your camera has Planar lens too, it means your info agrees 100% with Rollei factory and Prochnow data.- All the best Carlos --- Carlos Manuel Freaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxxxxx> escribió: > Hi Lance: > Thanks for the info, my "search" is about > to > learn the differences between a true "whiteface" and > a > false "whiteface"... :-) > On November 1966 was manufactured the first 2.8F > without the means in the body to receive the > "Planglass", it's from the 2.8F # 2,455,000 and then > I > think your camera was manufactured on 1967. > Really there is no a significant technical > difference > between your camera and a 2.8F "white face", like > there is no a significant technical difference > between > the GX last version and the FX.- > > All the best > Carlos > > > --- Choiliefan@xxxxxxx escribió: > > > Carlos: > > My 2.8F 12/24 ser# 24697XX has the newer NON-half > > moon strap lugs but is NOT > > a white face model. > > I've always suspected it was a late example since > > both the hood and prism > > have US distributor "Honeywell" printed below > Rollei > > on the name plates. > > The 2.8 Planar is 4876049. > > Hope this information is useful in your search. > My > > limited research has > > never revealed the year this camera was produced > nor > > the years Honeywell was > > distributor. > > Today, fighting for truth, justice and the last > > slice of pizza! > > Lance > > Selma, NC 27576 > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > In a message dated 7/31/2006 8:53:33 AM Eastern > > Standard Time, > > cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxxxxx writes: > > Thanks John, your info is very interesting, I have > > seen a lot of F white face along the years, the > > first > > one was a new 2.8F white face that my father's > > partner > > bought on 1974 during a visit to Europe, I shot > with > > that camera, and I saw even more thanks to > Internet, > > the e-commerce and auction sites in different > > countries, this is the second time in few days > that > > I > > know about an F "white face" with semi-circle in > the > > strap holders. > > The 2.8F I mentioned above did not have the 12/24 > > switch lever and then I guessed there was a > version > > without it; finally I found in the Rollei Factory > > Manual written version(the PDF version is > difficult > > to > > handle in the PC) the exploded view about the F > > panel > > with and without 12/24 switch, they are identical > > except for the switch and the perforation for the > > switch lever. My 3.5F has the semi-circle but it > > also > > has the previous film transport crank side > > panel version. > > The first section of the Rollei Factory Repair > > Manual > > shows the 3.5F and 2.8F "white face" versions > > without > > the semi-circles in the strap holders, however > it's > > possible that some earlier "white face" cameras > > without the 12/24 external switch lever were > > provided > > with the "mond" in the strap holders according > your > > camera and the 2.8F in Co... show, but for my case > > they only are two cameras for at least thirty F > > "white > > face".- > > > > All the best > > Carlos > > --- John Wild <JWild@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > escribió: > > > > > Carlos, > > > > > > I have a White Face 3.5F which does not have the > > > 120/220 option. I have owned it for 20 years. > > Hence, > > > I would assume it is original because it would > > have > > > been sold before sellers realised that they > could > > > get more for a White Face than a standard 3.5F. > It > > > has the 'mound' in the side plate that would > take > > > the option lever. > > > > > > John > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > [mailto:rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > > Behalf > > > Of Carlos Manuel Freaza > > > Sent: 30 July 2006 04:46 > > > To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > Subject: [rollei_list] About some F "white > > face"... > > > conversions? > > > > > > > > > According the Rollei Factory Repair Manual and > the > > > Rollei Report II from Claus Prochnow, the 12/24 > > > 120/220 film counter was introduced in the 3.5F > > and > > > 2.8F models on 1965, and the new "white face" > > front > > > panel on 1970 according that Manual and on 1971 > > > according Prochnow ( it appeared in some list > > prices > > > on 1971 and then the slight difference), anyway > > all > > > F "white faces" cameras are provided with 12/24 > > > 120/220 film counter and regarding the 3.5F all > > > "white face " > > > cameras are provided with Xenotar 3.5/75 lenses > > and > > > a few 2.8F "white face" cameras were provided > with > > > Planar 2.8/80 lenses, afterwards the Xenotar > > 2.8/80 > > > was also used only. > > > Along several years I have seen some "white > faces" > > > cameras out of the specifications mentioned > above, > > I > > > think these cameras have something strange > because > > > most of them also have other features out of > > specs, > > > i.e. a supposed "white face" 3.5F without 12/24 > > film > > > counter and Planar 3.5/75 lens or a 2.8F also > > > without > > > 12/24 film counter and the semi-circle in the > > strap > > > holders, etc., then I suspect -only suspect- > these > > > strange cameras were "converted" into "white > face" > > > cameras using a front cover panel spare part and > > > they are sold like "white face" cameras > increasing > > > their prices. I have seen some samples again > this > > > afternoon, I'm not saying that the current > seller > > > made the modification, perhaps he believes it's > an > > > original "white face" really, but IMO they are > not > > > original "white faces", it's a simple assumption > > of > > > course, for > > > example: > > > > > > http://www.collectcamera.com/pagesrollei/rolleicam/28f286c.htm > > > > > > The "white face" quoted above does not have > 12/24 > > > film counter, it seems to have the Planglass > > holder > > > in the camera body and the strap-holders have > > > semi-circles, these features are out of the > > original > > > 2.8F "white face" specs, it seems to be an older > > > camera with newer "white face" front panel > cover. > > > Other example, look for the item 200010295772 on > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Preguntá. Respondé. Descubrí. Todo lo que querías saber, y lo que ni imaginabas, está en Yahoo! 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