Now I do. I know I take stuff too seriously. :-) And, need to read the whole story!!! This is up there with a Rosanne Rosannadanna routine. Us old farts will remember (when Saturday Night was funny). What's all this with Sax and Violins? Richard Dierking Good to laugh, even when you get caught yourself. Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 10:21:49 -0700 From: dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [roc-chat] Re: Space Camp for today's kids To: roc-chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Richard, you realize this is a joke right? Ha? Bryce Chanes From: Carlo Vaccari <airplaniac2002@xxxxxxxxx>; To: <roc-chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Subject: [roc-chat] Re: Space Camp for today's kids Sent: Fri, May 30, 2014 4:57:34 PM Isn't it America's finest news source? Says so right at the top. C= On May 30, 2014 12:51 PM, "Gregory Lyzenga" <lyzenga@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: On May 30, 2014, at 9:45 AM, R Dierking <applerocketry@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Thank you for posting the link David. This is controversial for sure. For the age of the kids involved, I don't think this kind of 'simulation' enriches their experience. I've seen schools and teachers give 'lessons' that seem to me to be more an expression of their own frustration than a beneficial learning experience for the kids. Kind of like using children as messengers to their parents. For example, since we know that space exploration is dangerous, should one of the children be 'killed' in an accident during the program? They could pick one of the astronaut kids, suddenly remove them from the program and send them home saying, "see, it's dangerous, so now your dead." Then, all the other kids could grieve, and maybe it could be their fault. Wow, what a rewarding experience that would be! :-/ I just don't think that slamming the kids at a young age is valuable. SLI and USLI teams learn about budgets and red-tape. Even TARC teams learn about budget restraints through the process of building, launching, and perhaps travel expenses. Sometimes dreams come before cold reality and the dreams push us through the BS. These kids need to develop the momentum of their dreams - the speed bumps will come. Or, perhaps I'm being too protective of the children in the space camp program? Richard Dierking Uh, Richard… You do know what “The Onion” is, don’t you??? ----------------------------------------------------------Gregory A. Lyzenga <lyzenga@xxxxxxx> Dept. of Physics, Harvey Mudd College (909) 621-8378Claremont, CA 91711-5990 mobile (626) 808-5314